battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | reply to axus
Re: We need caps again why?
I've had a cap on my water usage for the last two years. There are caps on water usage through out the South Eastern US. |
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DINGDONGBONG
@telus.net | reply to ninjatutle
Try reading »www.dslprime.com maybe then the BS you always spout about can have some basis in reality... |
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC | Just quit responding to him. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
 ·AT&T Southeast
| reply to joako
said by joako  :But if I buy a port from a wholesale provider are you implying that it does not connect anywhere? Of course the port connects somewhere. What did I write that led you to believe otherwise? Maybe the misunderstanding is due to the fact that I only implied "backbone" instead of stating such.said by joako : That wholesale provider needs an infrastructure, which at least financially, will look very similar to what an ISP needs For a backbone, yes...if the ISP owns their backbone. |
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Vchat20
Landing is the REAL challenge
join:2003-09-16
Warren, OH
clubs:  | reply to axus
No, the difference is you end up paying per unit for your water akin to a pay-per-byte scenario that everyone is so against. |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | reply to ninjatutle
I like your lack of rebuttal about anything substantive that was stated here. It just goes to show that you really have no argument on anything that he is saying.
cw |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| reply to halfband
said by halfband :So you and your neighbors are not using any more bandwidth this year than last year? I know that mine has increased significantly due to video/streaming. For cable companies the issue is in the last mile until DOCSIS 3 gets rolled out. I am not sure why telco's seem to see the need promote caps. Bandwidth costs / usage are not a linear function. It is a step function. You add capacity for a fixed cost, and you can use all the way up to that capacity for no additional charge. So not only are people using a bit more traffic, but the cable companies have been increasing speeds and adding customers. If bandwidth is really an issue, then don't oversell it so badly. This means managing congestion if a node is full, and splitting it to reduce the oversubscription rate. These costs should be covered by the additional subscribers that are being added. If the average usage goes up, then it's time to upgrade. But as the cable co's have stated, their mean usage is 3GB per month, so where's the big crunch?
cw |
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UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL
 ·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to wifi4milez
here's something for you.
»www.cogentco.com/us/contact_sales.php
home of the 4 dollar megabit.
Cogents multinational, independent IP backbone is the perfect vehicle for metropolitan, national, and global point-to-point services. Available in speeds of 100 Mbps to full GigE, we help you build custom connections according to your specific configuration needs.
so a 100mbps conenction would cost you a little more than 400 dollars with equitment and taxes, much less than your famed 4000 dollars. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·BroadVoice
| said by UnKown :here's something for you. » www.cogentco.com/us/contact_sales.phphome of the 4 dollar megabit. Cogents multinational, independent IP backbone is the perfect vehicle for metropolitan, national, and global point-to-point services. Available in speeds of 100 Mbps to full GigE, we help you build custom connections according to your specific configuration needs. so a 100mbps conenction would cost you a little more than 400 dollars with equitment and taxes, much less than your famed 4000 dollars. YAWN. Clearly you know nothing about the industry. Cogents $4 per megabit doesnt apply to 100Mbps connections. It was a good try though, so chin up little buddy!
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fcisler
Premium
join:2004-06-14
Riverhead, NY | reply to UnKown
Hahahah $400. Please provide me that service. You can't....when your buying several gigabits, then possibly.
The $2,000 we pay would most likely be $3,000+ to any other business. We are "local gubbament" and get significant discounts on it. |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
·Verizon FIOS
·Sprint Mobile Broa..
·RoadRunner Cable
·BroadVoice
| said by fcisler :Hahahah $400. Please provide me that service. You can't....when your buying several gigabits, then possibly. The $2,000 we pay would most likely be $3,000+ to any other business. We are "local gubbament" and get significant discounts on it. He has no idea what he is talking about. The $4 per gig only applies to carrier customers who order a full 10Gbps port on a 36 month term.
quote:
The move lowers Cogent's price for Ethernet-based Internet access to as low as $7 per megabit for enterprise customers and $4 per megabit for its highest-volume service provider customers, both prices requiring three-year contracts.
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Their Bay Networks equipment was amortized over 30 years and it must generate revenue for 30 years before being permitted to be removed. There isn't a company in the world amortizing the cost of networking equipment over 30 years. That's a likely figure for property and plant, though.
5 years or less is more likely.
Also, it's nothing nefarious, it's just how you treat capital expenditures for accounting and tax purposes. Essentially you spend x dollars on a building, router, or whatever, and you get to write off the value over a certain number of years, so if you buy some industrial equipment expected to last 30 years, you get a yearly tax benefit of x/30. If you buy a router expected to last 5 years, you get x/5. (approximately, this is a general description, residual value complicates things somewhat)
Fiber construction cost is probably amortized over 30 years, but the electronics on it certainly aren't.
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funchords
Hello
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Washington, DC
·Verizon Online DSL
·Skype
| said by wierdo :There isn't a company in the world amortizing the cost of networking equipment over 30 years. That's a likely figure for property and plant, though. When the term "plant" is used in this context, is that simply building (roof/floors/walls)? Would "vaults" be plant? Thanks.
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K Patterson
Premium,MVM
join:2006-03-12
Columbus, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to wierdo
Depreciation and amortization schedules for financial reporting are set by GAAP - bean counters. For tax purposes, they are set by the IRS. The depreciation allowed is treated as an expense and is deducted from income, reducing the taxes paid. The two get reconciled on financial statements by listing the tax savings on the larger deduction allowed by the IRS as "deferred federal taxes".
You don't get to choose your own equipment life. If it lasts longer than the depreciation schedule, there is no more expense to be deducted. If it lasts less, then you can deduct the remaining undepreciated value when you dispose of the equipment. |
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UnKown
The Underground Network
join:2002-09-08
Orlando, FL
·Earthlink Cable Mo..
| reply to wifi4milez
true that it does not apply to the lower end consumers, this whole debate is how we need caps. As an isp i can get bandwidth from a tier 1 provider for as little as 4 dollars a meg.
if you look at level 3 communications they have whole fiber rings laying in america that are not even live
"Level 3 owns a large amount of dark fiber. It occasionally leases this fiber out to other providers, companies, or organizations who wish to operate their own backbones between cities."
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_3_Communications
thus there is no reason for caps. just corporate greed. |
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K Patterson
Premium,MVM
join:2006-03-12
Columbus, OH | Who supplies bandwidth for $4/meg, please?
Thanks, |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | reply to openbox9
It doesn't help when their support can't help you for shit, and you have to wait 1 hour on line for them to help either. Mabye if they didn't make so much mistakes and have such slow reps it may have cut those costs down. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | reply to fcisler
Dang that's not too bad imo, I've seen much higher costs for the same speeds your getting. If you live in San Fran you can get paxio for 300 or so 1GB up and down, from their own fiber ring. I wish I knew how they do it lol. |
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