bluebaron2
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Re: Which Canadian city do you think is the most gay friendly?
And once again CanChat goes merrily skipping off down an irrelevant and extraneous side argument about semantics.  
It's as predictable as the sun rising in the morning.
Sometimes this place can be so entertaining.  
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marco
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I don't get how something so personal can still be a big deal. It doesn't affect anyone who's not involved. |
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E_V
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Vancouver, BC
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said by Mats  :said by EveryName : In Vancouver, its kind of like everyone makes a huge effort to be accepting. Everyone?? You need to get out more instead of hanging out with your gay friends on Robson street. You are more tolerated than accepted. Venture out beyond your safe zone and see how accepted you are. Speaking of being tolerated... where in the Lower Mainland do you live..wait don't tell me...
Oh & btw, I think you meant Davie Street; Robson Street is very similar to LA's Beverly Hills. |
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Mats
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said by EveryName : In Vancouver the supporters of the gay community (which does not include everyone - obviously) seem to have be straining to make an effort, as if they have to. It doesn't seem natural. I agree with you now that you have made yourself clear. It isnt natural.
said by EveryName :Educate yourself before you judge. We all have different desires, and should not be judged for them, no matter what they are. Sounds like you are the one who needs to educate yourself. People are judged every day for how they are.
said by EveryName :Please don't post in my thread, if you are going to say stuff like that again. And i'm asking you respectfully. Don't post in your thread just because I dont agree with your opinion? You shouldn't post if you cant handle the responses no matter what they are. You made a blanket statement about Vancouver and I gave you my opinion about it. |
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tyler00
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Pickering, ON | reply to EveryName
I was interested to see how this thread got to 3 pages.
Disappointed that I wasted time reading 2 pages of PM's! |
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EveryName
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said by Mats :said by EveryName : In Vancouver, its kind of like everyone makes a huge effort to be accepting. Everyone?? You need to get out more instead of hanging out with your gay friends on Robson street. You are more tolerated than accepted. Venture out beyond your safe zone and see how accepted you are. You completely misunderstood me. In Vancouver the supporters of the gay community (which does not include everyone - obviously) seem to have be straining to make an effort, as if they have to. It doesn't seem natural. An example would be a bunch of people who supported hockey, and the Canucks, but had zero interest in the game.
Whereas in Montreal, the acceptance, or tolerance for that matter, seems to come naturally and is without persuasion. Montreal hockey fans are hockey fans. Point final calisse.
PS. Thanks for pointing out how homophobic you are. Educate yourself before you judge. We all have different desires, and should not be judged for them, no matter what they are. We all deserve the same respect, no matter what race, religion, gender, ethnicity, or sexual preference we have. Please don't post in my thread, if you are going to say stuff like that again. And i'm asking you respectfully. |
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Mats
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said by EveryName : In Vancouver, its kind of like everyone makes a huge effort to be accepting. Everyone?? You need to get out more instead of hanging out with your gay friends on Robson street.
You are more tolerated than accepted. Venture out beyond your safe zone and see how accepted you are. |
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Dan
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Eh?
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Our language is quite flawed, thats the only real truth here. In a language where a word can have serious negative connotations, but at the same time be an in word and used in many slang word situations, there is most certainly some issues.
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EveryName
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What about a university football coach, or the team captain who says "Alright boys! Let's go!"
Or what about when a bunch of guys are sitting around drinking beer, watching the hockey game and they're screaming the same thing?
I don't think these situations involving grown men involve anyone under 18, and yet "boys" is clearly mentioned. |
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Guru
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I think women who are older sometimes use the term 'gal' rather than the 'girl', to refer themselves. |
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Hydraglass
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said by dirtyjeffer :well, i don't know if i would go as far as a pensioner...in fact, through casual conversation, i don't think i refer to a female over 35 as a "girl"...that's when they reach the cougar age. Well.. most of the cougars I know and associate with still call themselves "girls" for the most part - several in their 40s and early 50s, who still say things like "I'm going out with the girls tonight" or "us recently re-single girls, we're a crazy bunch" -- so maybe not geriatric or pensioner - but at least to their early 50s I know my wife hits me over the head every time I'm "checking out some girl" in her words (even if the temporary object of my attention is 45).
And to be back on topic - pretty much all the females I know in the gay community refer to each other as "girls" regardless of age... but again I don't really know any older than their early 50s or so. |
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Krispy
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said by Anav :Can you expand on the robust gay/lesbian section, and specifically why the word robust aroused your vocabulary acumen? Heh, that was quite a while ago so I have no memory of what was there but it was a fair sized section in the store. As for the use of the word robust...it's just a good word!
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dirtyjeffer
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said by Hydraglass :
So in general conversation for now, perhaps the language will change with time as it always does, but it seems we have the following : boy: male below 16, guy: male of most any age from about 13 and up to geriatric age,
i would agree with that.
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girl: female of any age from child to pensioner age,
well, i don't know if i would go as far as a pensioner...in fact, through casual conversation, i don't think i refer to a female over 35 as a "girl"...that's when they reach the cougar age.
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lady or woman: female over the age of about 17 or 18.
hmmm...i seem to find lady or woman is most commonly used for females over the age of at least 30 for some reason.
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Anav
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said by Krispy :said by EveryName :What about the east coast? Its it as accepting as the rest? My great uncle was gay and owned a gay bar in St. John's, Nfld and never had any issues. I also worked at an independent bookstore in St. John's when I was ~18 and we had a pretty robust gay/lesbian section and a fairly large clientele for the section. From my experiences I would say that St. John's was more "gay friendly" then the suburbs of the GTA albeit I've never seen any particular anti-gay sentiment in the GTA 'burbs. Can you expand on the robust gay/lesbian section, and specifically why the word robust aroused your vocabulary acumen?
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Hydraglass
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It's a truly strange twist that our language has had, where the definition of "boy" still for the most part conjures up the image of a male under the age of about 16, but the term "girl" which by definition should be a juvenile female, actually works for females of all ages.
I.e.
"Girls night out" can be had by a group of females in their 30's and 40's. Sometimes can be referred to as "lady's night out or women's night out" but almost exclusively called girl's night out.
"Boy's night out" is almost never used - it's "Guy's night out" to refer to a similar event. Sometimes could be referred to as "men's night out" but pretty much exclusively called "guy's night out"...
So in general conversation for now, perhaps the language will change with time as it always does, but it seems we have the following : boy: male below 16, guy: male of most any age from about 13 and up to geriatric age, girl: female of any age from child to pensioner age, lady or woman: female over the age of about 17 or 18.
As to the original topic - for small cities I think Kingston is quite an accepting and gay friendly city - there are pride parades, an active gay "nightlife", tons of gay community events, etc -- my wife and I have several friends in the gay community, both male and female, and they have for the most part reported that it's "much easier here" than in some of the other places they have lived (Ottawa, Windsor, Waterloo, Hamilton, and Winnipeg to name a few of the towns some of them were previously from). |
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dirtyjeffer
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London, ON
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said by Dan :This notion that boy refers to the underage, is truly wrong, and again, shows where the majority of people's minds slide when they have to infer the meaning. nonsense...it isn't a notion, it is one of the definitions of the noun "boy":
"A young male, usually a child or adolescent."
»en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boy
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Dan
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See I've seen gays refer to other men as boys.
Ive also seen women call a partner a boy toy.
This notion that boy refers to the underage, is truly wrong, and again, shows where the majority of people's minds slide when they have to infer the meaning.
Oh thats right, our language needs us to misspell to convey real meaning, so I guess we slap a Z and no ones offended.
Boyz oh Boyz. |
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dirtyjeffer
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no probs...i just wouldn't want someone else, who may not be as understandable, and may already not "approve" of your lifestyle to begin with, falsely judge you.
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EveryName
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Its all good. I changed it. I understand your point. |
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dirtyjeffer
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what's with the rolling eyes?...i don't care if you are bi nor would i criticize you for your preferences...i was simply pointing out something many of us thought was "questionable"...you didn't intend it to be that way, so don't worry about it, we were just wondering, that's all.
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