No Wi-Fi???? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21233721 en Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:51:32 EDT Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:51:32 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21254027 raw : You can't make those kind of generalizations. Here in MD (close to the Bay), there is minimal signal to be found in most of the residential areas of Anne Arundel County, despite relatively flat terrain. The odds of you getting EVDO coverage indoors is extremely slim. I myself can't get more than 1 bar of 1xRTT indoors, leading to numerous dropped calls and frequent hour+ text message delays.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21254027 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 09:15:07 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21239581 anon : Seriously, this is a mistake! If you think about, customers that are actually going to buy this phone are more than likely on some kind of company plan where the BES is already going to be paid for, so if Verizon is worried about loosing money on the Data plans with Wi-Fi enabled, they seriously need to take another look. You would imagine that the engineers would love to see less of strain on the EVDO network.

Someone needs to explain please. :-) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21239581 Thu, 09 Oct 2008 11:02:22 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21238833 macedon : agreed

its puzzuling
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said by Matt See Profile :

They want the biz market and those folks don't care about WiFi.
I do. When I walk into the steel and concrete buildings that our company has, the kind that block cell phone signals QUITE well, WIFI would be a welcome addition to my phone.
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said by MPScan See Profile :

said by 33591094 See Profile :

Really? I did not know that. The telecommunication companies really are run by complete and utter morons, aren't they?

Actually, the main reason that Verizon passed on the iPhone is because of the amount of control that Apple wanted over the handset. For example, requiring the phone to be sent back to Apple for a battery replacement. Verizon wasn't willing to do that to their customers.
But in Hindsight, after the massive numbers of people that the iPhone brought to At&T, I would think Verizon would have made the changes if they had it to do over again.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21237340 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:12:53 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21237336 eco :
said by EPS See Profile :

In any case, who uses their cell-phone at home anyway? Especially considering that VZW doesn't offer any sort of UMA service, which might I guess be useful if you wanted to drop the landline and got poor coverage at home.
I for one do. A land line is a waste of money and these days I'm on the internet twice as much on my phone as I am on my computer]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21237336 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 21:12:42 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21237262 eco : That may have used to have been true but speaking as an iPhone 3G user, wifi used way less battery than 3G does and I really doubt EVDO gets that much better battery life than HSPA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21237262 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:57:55 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236898 ptrowski :
said by MPScan See Profile :

That's because the AT&T network sucks ass. With the Verizon EVDO network, there isn't really a need for WiFi, at least in the Northeast, where their network is superior to any other carrier.
You are in Boston, I am in rural CT. Two totally different markets, chief.
My neighbor works at the Verizon store in Millbury, Ma. Great reception there, not so hot here.
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said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by 33591094 See Profile :

The iPhone will eat that for lunch, when it comes to Verizon.
The iPhone is not coming to verizon anytime soon, and one who believes it is coming, is an idiot.

In the contact that apple and AT&T have, AT&T has in there saying that apple can not make a CDMA version.

Yes, but that contract has an expiration, of I think 5 years, at which point Apple is free to produce a similar product for Verizon if both parties agree and AT&T can't do squat about it.
Yea till they sign a new contact for the 3rd get iPhone. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236470 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:27:56 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236197 MPScan : That's because the AT&T network sucks ass. With the Verizon EVDO network, there isn't really a need for WiFi, at least in the Northeast, where their network is superior to any other carrier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236197 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:36:41 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236193 MPScan :
said by dlewis23 See Profile :

said by 33591094 See Profile :

The iPhone will eat that for lunch, when it comes to Verizon.
The iPhone is not coming to verizon anytime soon, and one who believes it is coming, is an idiot.

In the contact that apple and AT&T have, AT&T has in there saying that apple can not make a CDMA version.

Yes, but that contract has an expiration, of I think 5 years, at which point Apple is free to produce a similar product for Verizon if both parties agree and AT&T can't do squat about it.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236193 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:36:04 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236189 MPScan :
said by 33591094 See Profile :

Really? I did not know that. The telecommunication companies really are run by complete and utter morons, aren't they?

Actually, the main reason that Verizon passed on the iPhone is because of the amount of control that Apple wanted over the handset. For example, requiring the phone to be sent back to Apple for a battery replacement. Verizon wasn't willing to do that to their customers. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21236189 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:35:09 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21235244 Matt : I think everyone is missing the point. WiFi doesn't matter to the intended audience for this device. They are not trying to compete head-to-head with the iPhone. They want the biz market and those folks don't care about WiFi.
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said by djrobx See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

Because WiFi sucks batteries? And if you have a BB with Verizon you already have an unlimited EVDO account?
OK, but what do you do when you are in a poor coverage area? In LA, because of the terrain you can't count on cell coverage being great wheverver you go, no matter what provider you're on. If wifi is a battery drain you can always turn it off.
Good example there. I get 2 bars in my house, sometimes 3 and am in Edge territory. Wifi on the iPhone gets me around 3.3 mbps download, so for me, wifi is crucial.
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said by chlen See Profile :

I dont get the need for wifi on these phones...

I dont have VZ, but I have sprint and data is unlimited. If EVDO on VZ is anything like Sprint then why have your phone cost more and suck up battery. My palm does just fine at 1.5mbit on average. HSPDA is nowhere as fast as EVDO on Sprint, so I get why you may want it there, but if you average 1.5mbit why do you need wifi?
maybe because you are paying extra for that data plan,if it had wifi on it,and you had access to wifi it is free.my wife has verizons palm centro great phone but does not have wifi on it either in which we are forced to pay 40 dollars a month just for the unlimited data plan that she could use for free if it had wifi.not putting wifi on their phones is just a way to force you to buy their expensive data plan,and use their 3g network,and not use free wifi]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234498 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:24:45 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234393 RickNY :
said by EPS See Profile :

The phone is rather large as it were, with GSM, HSDPA, CDMA, EV-DO, and GPS already in there- it was probably left out because of size considerations more than anything else (as it were half the comments I see about this thing elsewhere are "lol itz huge")
It has almost the same footprint as an iPhone widthwise, and it isnt as long as an iPhone.. And its a lil over 1.5mm thicker than the iPhone.. Why is everyone saying its huge?

112.5mm L (iPhone: 115.5mm)
62.2mm W (iPhone: 62.1mm)
13.95mm D (iPhone: 12.3mm)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234393 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 12:04:58 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234148 EPS : The phone is rather large as it were, with GSM, HSDPA, CDMA, EV-DO, and GPS already in there- it was probably left out because of size considerations more than anything else (as it were half the comments I see about this thing elsewhere are "lol itz huge")

In any case, who uses their cell-phone at home anyway? Especially considering that VZW doesn't offer any sort of UMA service, which might I guess be useful if you wanted to drop the landline and got poor coverage at home.

I don't think this was a VZW order, though, because the Vodafone Storm 9500 doesn't have WiFi either. Vodafone even carries the One Holy iPhone in some markets, so I don't think they have anything against WiFi.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234148 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:19:43 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234075 moonpuppy :
Verizon has a history of shutting down things like this because it might take away from their revenue stream. No Wi-Fi makes it easier to say no.

Blackberry I think will be having a difficult time in the near future. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234075 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:04:33 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21234041 djrobx :
said by Matt See Profile :

Because WiFi sucks batteries? And if you have a BB with Verizon you already have an unlimited EVDO account?
OK, but what do you do when you are in a poor coverage area? In LA, because of the terrain you can't count on cell coverage being great wheverver you go, no matter what provider you're on. If wifi is a battery drain you can always turn it off.
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said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

What's your "cap" on that EVDO or HSPDA? With Wi-Fi I'd not have to bother wondering if I'm going to hit the limit on that "unlimited" data plan.

A smartphone without Wi-Fi is just a dead duck, IMHO.
no cap that I know off...but I only have 4gb of space on my phone, how much do you think you can DL into a phone?

When I use my phone as a modem, I download movies onto my laptop...with Sprint never saw a cap.
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said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

What's your "cap" on that EVDO or HSPDA? With Wi-Fi I'd not have to bother wondering if I'm going to hit the limit on that "unlimited" data plan.

A smartphone without Wi-Fi is just a dead duck, IMHO.
Who in the hell uses more than 5GB a month via their PDA phone? I have Activesync email PUSH phone and I rarely use more than 50MB a month. And I get a boatload of email.
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A smartphone without Wi-Fi is just a dead duck, IMHO.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233902 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:33:31 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233885 Matt :
said by chlen See Profile :

I dont get the need for wifi on these phones...

I dont have VZ, but I have sprint and data is unlimited. If EVDO on VZ is anything like Sprint then why have your phone cost more and suck up battery. My palm does just fine at 1.5mbit on average. HSPDA is nowhere as fast as EVDO on Sprint, so I get why you may want it there, but if you average 1.5mbit why do you need wifi?
You're exactly right. My old XV6700 had WiFi, but since I had unlimited EVDO I NEVER used the WiFi ... EVDO worked great everywhere I went.

When I did use the WiFi, it ate my batteries for lunch.
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I dont have VZ, but I have sprint and data is unlimited. If EVDO on VZ is anything like Sprint then why have your phone cost more and suck up battery. My palm does just fine at 1.5mbit on average. HSPDA is nowhere as fast as EVDO on Sprint, so I get why you may want it there, but if you average 1.5mbit why do you need wifi?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233863 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:27:20 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233831 33591094 : Really? I did not know that. The telecommunication companies really are run by complete and utter morons, aren't they?
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said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

Serious, serious mistake. That makes it useless, in my opinion. Why on Earth would they produce an "advanced" phone that has everything except Wi-Fi?

Next!....
Well think about it this way - with all Verizon Blackberries, you MUST have the data package and therefore have data access already available via EVDO and the BIS/BES server.
The Samsung SCH i760 PDA for Verizon has WIFI so there must be a good reason they left it off this phone but then again, I don't see them calling you or me for advice. They do what they want to do... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233824 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:21:21 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233823 Matt :
said by fuziwuzi See Profile :

Serious, serious mistake. That makes it useless, in my opinion. Why on Earth would they produce an "advanced" phone that has everything except Wi-Fi?

Next!....
Because WiFi sucks batteries? And if you have a BB with Verizon you already have an unlimited EVDO account?
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said by 33591094 See Profile :

The iPhone will eat that for lunch, when it comes to Verizon.
The iPhone is not coming to verizon anytime soon, and one who believes it is coming, is an idiot.

In the contact that apple and AT&T have, AT&T has in there saying that apple can not make a CDMA version. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233788 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:14:20 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233773 aaronwt : Well Verizon is the one that passed on the iPhone. They had the chance to be the exclusive seller of it, but passed.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233773 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:11:04 EDT Re: No Wi-Fi???? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233763 33591094 : Agreed - it should be a standard feature at this point.

Huge mistake, RIM. The iPhone will eat that for lunch, when it comes to Verizon.
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Next!....]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21233721 Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:00:19 EDT