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If broadband providers are not providing data that explains where they are providing service, then why is it possible for customers to access said data? So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions? |
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pnh102
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| said by Karl Bode  :So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions? I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband.
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Karl Bode
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nasadude
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said by pnh102 :I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. so you already have your 100Mbps symmetric connection for $50/mo? |
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Angrychair
join:2000-09-20
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| said by nasadude :said by pnh102 :I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. so you already have your 100Mbps symmetric connection for $50/mo? I'm sure it comes through the same corporate phallus he has rammed up his rectum. |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
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said by pnh102 :said by Karl Bode :So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions? I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. Sure it can. I can give insentives to companies to build out broadband. Hard to do that when you don't know where it's needed. |
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Sammer
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said by pnh102 :I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. So there is no need to point out how the corporate greed that is dooming our country's economic future is unpatriotic. BTW the fastest growth in government spending is now in corporate welfare. |
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viperlmw
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| Is that pnhwhatever spouting crap again? I can't tell, except from people quoting him, as I have him on ignore. But if he is saying that government can do nothing to improve broadband, I would respectfully disagree. The state of Idaho implemented a proposal where the State contracted several providers to install broadband infrastructure in numerous small municipalities, and paid 1/2 the cost. In Qwest's territory, DSL was installed in at least 30 central offices, and numerous remotes (I don't know what the stats are for the other providers, I know Verizon didn't want to do it in their area, so a WISP was contracted). This has been completed for about a year, and seems to be quite popular. |
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said by pnh102 :said by Karl Bode :So you're saying that customers having access to limited one-off pre-qualification databases is the same thing as the government having accurate national broadband penetration, coverage and deployment data before making massive decisions? I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. I wouldn't go so far as to say that the government has no need for that information, but considering that the national debt just passed $10 trillion and we just appropriated $700 billion for the bailout, I hate to say it but broadband mapping is one of those things that might have to be sacrificed until we get our financial house in order.
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pnh102
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said by BF69 :Sure it can. I can give insentives to companies to build out broadband. Hard to do that when you don't know where it's needed. Private companies do not need the government to tell them where to build. Most private companies can determine on their own where the most profitable areas to build will be.
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pnh102
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said by nasadude :said by pnh102 :I am saying the government has no need for such information, as there is nothing it can do to improve broadband. so you already have your 100Mbps symmetric connection for $50/mo? And again, how will the government make that happen? Do you really have faith that the government can manage anything in a good capacity lately?
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pnh102
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said by viperlmw :II can't tell, except from people quoting him, as I have him on ignore. You want me.
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pnh102
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said by Sammer :So there is no need to point out how the corporate greed that is dooming our country's economic future is unpatriotic. Why is it wrong for business owners or shareholders to be greedy? The whole point of a business is to make money.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to BF69
Yawn. I get my broadband for free.
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
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said by pnh102 :said by Sammer :So there is no need to point out how the corporate greed that is dooming our country's economic future is unpatriotic. Why is it wrong for business owners or shareholders to be greedy? The whole point of a business is to make money. Their corporations depend on there being a lawful society and when corporate greed exceeds reasonable boundaries that isn't possible. Doesn't the government bail-out tell you something? There has to be limits to corporate greed just as we have laws against theft or our economy will collapse. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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said by pnh102 :And again, how will the government make that happen? Do you really have faith that the government can manage anything in a good capacity lately? I don't have the answers, but this canard the government can't do anything is a load of bull.
the government can't do anything right when it's run by incompetents that don't believe in government - I believe that's been amply proved over the last several years.
But yes, I do believe the govt is capable of managing whatever it sets it's mind to when it has competent leaders - it's done so in the past and will do so again in the future, when we have competent leaders. |
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pnh102,
Maybe you're on ignore because you don't add any substance. You don't give anyone any credit for a different opinion. Neither you nor your readers grow as a result of your contributions. I have just read 6 definitive messages in a row from you, none exhibiting any hint of critical thinking that might challenge your own positions.
As you pointed out, private companies can (and DO) determine on their own where the most profitable areas to build will be. So where are they building? For the past two years, they've been building where broadband already exists! We've had less than 1 percent of additional penetration -- in two years! So how do YOU purport to increase the availability of broadband to more Americans?
Can government manage a large-capacity network? We'll, it already manages several but that's beside the point. You and I probably agree that just because the government can do something doesn't mean that it should -- and we both probably agree that this particular idea has very limited merit. On the other hand, if the government does decide to take a role in retaking our top broadband ranking someday, what do you think should it do to move forward?
If you're just going to be offended or give me back another flat answer, then don't bother. But here's a chance to consider that those who respond to you are also serious about their own convictions and are inviting you to influence them -- not belittle them.
Robb
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pnh102
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said by nasadude :I don't have the answers, but this canard the government can't do anything is a load of bull. Except for the fact that pretty much everything the government has gotten into that is beyond the scope of its duly delegated powers has proven this notion correct.
said by nasadude :the government can't do anything right when it's run by incompetents that don't believe in government - I believe that's been amply proved over the last several years. And during this time, the private sector has succeeding in expanding broadband availability all through the country with no money from taxpayers. Given government's proven track record of failure, why should we entrust it with something as important as broadband?
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pnh102
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said by funchords :Maybe you're on ignore because you don't add any substance. No, I think people ignore me simply because they do not agree with me. I don't bother to ignore anyone because I don't care enough about them to put them on ignore.
said by funchords :I have just read 6 definitive messages in a row from you, none exhibiting any hint of critical thinking that might challenge your own positions. And exactly what did I say that was incorrect?said by funchords :We've had less than 1 percent of additional penetration -- in two years! Complete bull. There are numerous places that have gotten broadband that did not have it before. You can see numerous examples posted on this very site about private companies extending service to previously unserved areas. That can't possibly be an increase of 1%.
said by funchords : So how do YOU purport to increase the availability of broadband to more Americans? I believe that people who want broadband should invest their own private funds to build their own broadband solutions without the government getting involved.
said by funchords :On the other hand, if the government does decide to take a role in retaking our top broadband ranking someday, what do you think should it do to move forward? I really do not believe that this is as important as people think it is. Other countries that have invested significant tax revenue to build higher-end networks still have yet to surpass us in terms of GDP.
said by funchords :If you're just going to be offended or give me back another flat answer, then don't bother. I don't understand how you have concluded that I get offended ?
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pnh102
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said by Sammer :Their corporations depend on there being a lawful society and when corporate greed exceeds reasonable boundaries that isn't possible. Doesn't the government bail-out tell you something? There has to be limits to corporate greed just as we have laws against theft or our economy will collapse. I agree with you that companies must be expected to operate within the law. I also have believed that any bailout was wrong. I think that the markets would have sufficiently punished companies that behaved badly by allowing them to go under had the government not bailed them out.
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