phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to BryceS
Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network
BryceS,
HSPA uses a 2G GSM compatible core network. The HSPA compatible phones are 2G GSM backwards compatible but your probably right in that you will not be able to use older 2G GSM only phones on the Belus network like you will be able to on Rogers. Probably because of the W-CDMA air interface used.
Sounds like all the new phones coming out are HSPA compatible now a days so won't be an issue by 2010. |
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alex6999
join:2007-10-13
North York, ON
| reply to BryceS
hm.... bell have same price ad verizon
verizon data plan for US+Canada - $129
include 5GB traffic.
Bell $65+$40(US)+$15(5GB) = $120 + %5 alberta tax.
i cannot get toronto phone to alberta address, but can ger data card.
its cheaper!!! |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
 ·Colbanet
| reply to TiredOfNames
If they intend to have it done by the 2010 olympics, they have slightly more than one year. I can see them deploying in major cities within that time. Saying we won't see it for 3-6 years is a bit silly. If they take that long, they might as well have gone directly to LTE.
So, I'm going to wager on a ~1.5 year live-to-public timeframe in at least Vancouver. Pretty good chances of Montreal and Toronto being online at the same time. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | reply to BryceS
Bell isn't deploying GSM, they're going straight to HSPA |
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TiredOfNames
@teksavvy.com
| reply to Phoneboy3
said by Phoneboy3 :
Telus can finance this themselves several times over or just pay cash! 500Mil-1Bil is not much to a national Telco.
They made over a billion in net profit just in the last 12 months.
I'm inclined to think that if the economic impediment is as little as you would suggest, that this deployment would have happened much earlier.
The writing's been on the wall, for CDMA, for some time. But based alone on the suggested quick ROI (1-3 yrs depending on who you ask) why would the telco's not have deployed the GSM long ago?
Because: It's expensive (and yes too, as time has elapsed more and more nails appeared in the coffin of CDMA reducing the 'risk' involved in jumping ship to GSM).
AIUI if this were to proceed 'on sched', then in no more than 2 years we should all be getting Bell GSM sig.
(Hint: Bell's still-undeployed IPTV offering - 4yrs behind sched?)
So for the BellUs GSM:
I'd pay 1:1 on us not seeing that for 6 years.
I'd pay 2:1 we don't see it in 4.
4:1 if you bet me that we see it in 3 years.
And I'd pay 10:1 for anyone wagering on a 2-yr go-live-to-public timeframe.
But only if I can borrow the money to cover my exposure, of course...
Heh heh heh |
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Phoneboy3
@shawcable.net | reply to BryceS
Telus can finance this themselves several times over or just pay cash! 500Mil-1Bil is not much to a national Telco.
They made over a billion in net profit just in the last 12 months. |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to NoCigar4U
They say in the press release itself that they don't expect to make much (or any) money on this, but that it's something they have to do if they want to make money in the future.
It makes sense... CDMA is a dead-end spec. 75% of phones are in the GSM family, and likely a higher percentage of providers are. NOT doing this would be a slow eventual suicide. |
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NoCigar4U
@teksavvy.com
| reply to phoneboy3
said by phoneboy3 :
Money is no problem. Some estimates say the upgrade will pay for itself in about a year just from the increased roaming revenue. It's a no brainer.
No, it /is/ a brainer.
It doesn't matter how quickly it can be paid off, it the money can't be borrowed in the first place then the project doesn't leave the drawing board.
Besides, how much infrastructure development was done during the /last/ depression? |
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phoneboy3
@shawcable.net
| reply to BryceS
Money is no problem. Some estimates say the upgrade will pay for itself in about a year just from the increased roaming revenue. It's a no brainer.
LTE is at least 3 years away from deployment and that is just what the Telco's are saying. Realistically it's probably gonna be more like 5-7. 5-7 is a VERY long time in Telco. WiMAX will have a huge lead by then.
Even if you believe the BS from the Telcos about how LTE is better it certainly won't be that much better. WiMAX is here now up and running and ready to go. |
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BryceS
join:2007-09-17
Waterloo, ON | reply to BryceS
Bellus refers to the Bell/Telus network. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to extelus
said by extelus :
a billion? not likely.... the towers are already there... wave propagation in the correct format for HSPA requires what? a software upgrade perhaps,? some hardware outlay...but over time, and thats where the baseline of GSM propagates, the cost will be offset easily. Especially in handset costs, or lack thereof.
see the cbc website post above ...the projected cost is in the under half a billion costs for a Telus/Bell venture into HSPA.
It will be close to a billion and there is no upgrade path from CDMA to HSPA which means entirely new hardware. |
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extelus
@teksavvy.com
| reply to Shadenfreudester
a billion? not likely.... the towers are already there... wave propagation in the correct format for HSPA requires what? a software upgrade perhaps,? some hardware outlay...but over time, and thats where the baseline of GSM propagates, the cost will be offset easily. Especially in handset costs, or lack thereof.
see the cbc website post above ...the projected cost is in the under half a billion costs for a Telus/Bell venture into HSPA. |
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Shadenfreudester
@teksavvy.com
| reply to BryceS
Heh, who's going to finance this $1B escapade?
»www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/···441.html
Nobody can borrow money for anything right now, not even a shipper of grain who's customers might be just dying to pay for the product:
> Grain shipments stalled in credit drought
> October 07, 2008
»www.financialpost.com/news/story···d=866310
Unless the financing for this deal is already locked up and there are no weasel clauses that lenders can still use this BellUs organ will never see the money, in sufficient time and at an affordable rate, to get into the GSM race.
Expect to see Rogers as the sole GSM provider for some time still, methinks... |
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extelus
@teksavvy.com
| reply to BryceS
According to the link below, Telus will be right in there like a dirty shirt....
see the link below...
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···gsm.html |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
·Rogers Hi-Speed
·TekSavvy Solutions..
·Bell Sympatico
| reply to andyb
said by andyb  :So this is gonna happen about the same time IPTV hits the market?  lol.. difference here is if they have a network up by the time the Olympics are here then they have an almost guaranteed revenue stream. |
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diskace
Ebox Senior
Premium,VIP
join:2002-02-21 | reply to andyb
andyb: hahaha no faith ? :P |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
·Colbanet
| reply to andyb
Bell has committed to having it ready before the Vancouver Olympics (2010). So about 16 months from now, I guess. The article didn't make it clear if they intended to roll out HSPA or LTE by that point; LTE is supposed to be fully ratified in 2 months. |
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andyb
Premium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario | reply to BryceS
So this is gonna happen about the same time IPTV hits the market? |
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Guspaz
Guspaz
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC | reply to BryceS
'Bout time. I hope I'll be able to use SIM-based phones with Virgin soon. |
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mlerner
Premium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
1 edit | reply to BryceS
1 down, 1 to go. Telus has yet to officially issue a press release.. |
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