Re: Not again... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21245337 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:42:17 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:42:17 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253223 beaups : 1mbps loss??? anyhow, I'll say now for the 3rd or 4th time...WPA2 not WPA. most reviews will show you there is no performance loss in WPA2. note also they are comparing WPA to no encryption at all...not WPA vs. WEP.

I read this somewhere once:

"Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics even if you win, you're still a retard"

This applies to both of us ;-)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253223 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:59:19 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252689 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by beaups See Profile :

wpa2 has no loss in performance. yes you did mention it, you are just incorrect.
»www.keenansystems.com/WLAN_perfo···bled.htm
So where is your proof saying WPA has no loss in performance?
So how do you say, "you are just incorrect".

Though kinda revelant:
»ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=102721]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252689 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:18:19 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252584 beaups : wpa2 has no loss in performance. yes you did mention it, you are just incorrect.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252584 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:51:14 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252210 jmn1207 :
said by beaups See Profile :

The point is, WPA2 is just as easy to setup as WEP...so why not use it? (Unless of course you have a wii).
I'm fairly certain that I mentioned that WPA was slower than WEP with the devices/equipment that I use, and if anyone has an interest and knows how to crack WEP, I betcha they read up a little on WPA too. This is not my catch-all security implementation, it's simply used to keep ignorant people from connecting to my network after stopping at Best Buy to go wireless.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252210 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 19:13:01 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252134 beaups : you should watch the video again. that WPA was broke because the person who setup the AP is an idiot and used a dictionary password and a standard ssid.

set up your ssid as asdjflksafjdk and a password of asdjflkasdj771KK///jjk889 and watch it take a month to crack.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252134 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:52:04 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252117 beaups : WPA/WPA2 (if implemented PROPERLY) is quite secure. While of course no security is truly bullet proof, WEP takes literally just a couple minutes to crack.

Dealing with identity theft, while a bank password may or may not be sent in clear text, if you look at many users' habits with passwords it doesn't take long to figure things out. also, simply knowing enough about a person could lead to identity theft, whether they have your passwords or not. For example, a sniffer could know who you bank with, who your car loan is with, your employer, all your credit card institutions, etc. on top of that when you enter your password onto dslreports.com maybe that's the password for some of these other sites. likely your email PW gets sent in plain text so maybe the thief goes to your banking site and clicks the "forgot password" link and checks your email for you and resets it....

The point is, WPA2 is just as easy to setup as WEP...so why not use it? (Unless of course you have a wii).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21252117 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 18:46:35 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251856 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by beaups See Profile :

you are still missing the point. Hacking into your ap is one thing, cracking your wep and then sniffing all of your traffic is the real risk. And it doesn't need to be your neighbor, with a good directional antenna it could be someone nearly a mile away.

Please tell me what "facts" I need to read.

The FACT is wep is insecure, and by using it you are merely making it mildly more inconvenient to sniff your traffic. This is not an opinion (like your mcdonalds analogy), it is a FACT...
Then can we also agree WPA is insecure as that can also be cracked.
And YOU are missing the point. Is the average person really going to go out and buy an antenna just to crack a random AP to just sniff traffic?
And I never said it was "secure", I'm just saying its not something that you need to ranting about how your "neighbors can easily crack it".

Oh hey look at that WPA seems to be just as "secure" as WEP.
»www.mirrors.wiretapped.net/secur···wpa.html

So, from that should we assume that WPA is "insecure" too? No, it still takes time and money to do that. I can almost say that if you just goto BestBuy and grab a linksys card and pop it into your laptop...it probably wont work.

Btw, your argument really breaks down as "sensitive" stuff like banking and online purchases is almost never sent in clear text. Ok, fine you have my forum account at forum-world.com but is that really something someone is going to go out of their way to get? God, I hope not, for their sake I hope they have better things to do in their free time. Want a copy of my porn collection too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251856 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:37:24 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250827 beaups : you are still missing the point. Hacking into your ap is one thing, cracking your wep and then sniffing all of your traffic is the real risk. And it doesn't need to be your neighbor, with a good directional antenna it could be someone nearly a mile away.

Please tell me what "facts" I need to read.

The FACT is wep is insecure, and by using it you are merely making it mildly more inconvenient to sniff your traffic. This is not an opinion (like your mcdonalds analogy), it is a FACT...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250827 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:21:15 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250683 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by beaups See Profile :

about any Atheros based card will work here..frankly I think nearly any card works with the linux tools, although many crack slower than others due to lack of injection support. also, how do you know nobody has been on your access point? they could have spoofed your mac or cleared your logs for you. lastly, THE DANGER IS NOT THEM BORROWING YOUR CONNECTION it's sniffing all of your traffic. If you don't think this happens, then you don't think.
Oh your telling me my neighbor is a computer hacker that is trying to hack into my AP? Please I had to go over there numerous times because he installed malware onto the computer (oh and at the time he only had like a 800mhz computer where that was the only computer that was connect to broadband)...the other neighbor had a comcast truck out numerous times a long time ago.
Well considering that the AP has a username/password combo that is not using default username/password, it would be really hard for them to get in, login to the router admin page, clear the logs. Plus the firmware I'm using tells me every connected client regardless if they are using a static IP address. Why don't I add yet another level of security nuttiness to the mess? So lets say I have syslog server running on machine X. This "hacker" would have to crack my WEP, crack the username/password for my AP, figure out the syslog server address, crack the syslog server's SSH username/password and clear the logs. I could take a step further but I think I have already provide how obsurbed this whole game we call security can get.

Should I believe everyone of my neighbors is a computer hacker out to get me? No, because then I will just be like all the other security nuts out there. I don't know how often the "WEP is bad" people go outside their houses to socialize but the majority of people today can barely use a computer let alone run any hacking/cracking tools. Just look at the number of script kiddies today that go on forums and just ask "how do I crack WEP?" without doing any research on their own.

People only believe what they are told and hear, it seems nowadays only few people actually think for themselves and take in all the facts to draw their own conclusions. Just because you read some report or paper saying WEP is bad, or cracked doesn't mean that it is a plague you should avoid at all costs. I'm sure that this is a reason why some people didn't buy a Nintendo DS, because they were so caught up in their own disinformation and believed that if they used WEP that their neighbor would crack it and jump on it (or bought it and is just never going to use the wifi feature, which is completely stupid imho). I once read a mention of a paper that MD5 is cracked, did I immediately stop using MD5 hash in any programs I use? No, because for one I never *saw* the paper, it was only mentioned by some site that said some people had cracked it. And for 2 I found it to be tested and proven, especially when you use "salt", it makes it pretty hard for someone to brute force a hash when you have "salted" it.

Read the facts, but apply the facts to different situations and you will go far. Facts are not just cut and dry apply-to-every-case. Example: A friend tells you fries taste bad at mcdonalds, are you immediately going to assume that fries taste bad at every mcdonalds? For the sake of your intelligence, I hope not. At the very least you should at least go out and try for yourself. Just because someone says WEP is bad or insecure, should you immediately assume that WEP is bad in every instance? Rhetorical question for the few who do read everything in a post.

Oh well, I doubt only a handful of people will read my post and actually learn a morale lesson, the rest will just jump out and say "but WEP is INSECURE" (in caps of course).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250683 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:46:25 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249335 Kearnstd : WPA is secure enough to day to day use but i also know that no amount of security will keep out someone who really really wants my data.
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said by beaups See Profile :

THE DANGER IS NOT THEM BORROWING YOUR CONNECTION it's sniffing all of your traffic. If you don't think this happens, then you don't think.
only if you transmit sensitive information in the clear...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249266 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:21:51 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249082 beaups : about any Atheros based card will work here..frankly I think nearly any card works with the linux tools, although many crack slower than others due to lack of injection support. also, how do you know nobody has been on your access point? they could have spoofed your mac or cleared your logs for you. lastly, THE DANGER IS NOT THEM BORROWING YOUR CONNECTION it's sniffing all of your traffic. If you don't think this happens, then you don't think.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249082 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:49:05 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249002 jmn1207 :
said by avd706 See Profile :

Why encrypt? If you want to keep the old lady off your network just turn of your SSID and mac filter.
A guest with a wireless device can easily connect without having to mess with the MAC list. I don't allow the router settings to be changed from a wireless device, and I might not want to fire up my computer just so my friend can use his blackberry over my network. I keep my current WEP key written down on sticky note in that kitchen drawer with the rubber bands and the other weird junk. Simple and effective, but still not a "security" measure, like I thought was explained before.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249002 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:29:13 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21247111 avd706 : Why encrypt? If you want to keep the old lady off your network just turn of your SSID and mac filter.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21247111 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:02:50 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246673 k1ll3rdr4g0n :
said by avd706 See Profile :

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

You know this stuff is really starting to *bug* me. Left and right I always see "WEP insecure don't use it", blah blah blah.
Anyone with fingers and more than 2 braincells to rub together will realize you can't just crack wireless APs with off the shelf wireless cards (at least the vast majority).
You mean the vast majority of G cards cant go into promiscuous mode, but I'm sure you can get lots of hardware out there on the internet that can. WEP is dead. obsolete.
I'm sure too, but what is the average person going to do?
Little Johny's dad isn't going to special order a card over the internet, hes going to walk in to bestbuy and grab a card off the shelf (if not already integrated). Remember I'm not talking about Big Johny with daddy's credit card, I'm talking about the average person.

If WEP is dead then why did Nintendo "embrace" it with the Nintendo DS?

said by kamm See Profile :

said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

You know this stuff is really starting to *bug* me. Left and right I always see "WEP insecure don't use it", blah blah blah.
Anyone with fingers and more than 2 braincells to rub together will realize you can't just crack wireless APs with off the shelf wireless cards (at least the vast majority). That means that your neighbor is probably not going to be a "WEP cracker", so its safe to use WEP in a residential area. I'll bet anyone's neighbor here probably only knows the basics of Word. I would use something more industrial in a apartment area though; as since your signal can encompass more people...but in a urban/rural residential area where there is considerate amount of space between houses WEP is enough to keep the average doodle head from connecting to your wifi and thinking its his.
But again why are we even talking about this when the vast majority of people don't even use any protection at all! (Just walk down your street with your laptop, I'll bet you will find at least one open AP with a internet connection.)

I am NOT saying it isn't hackable, but for the amount of time it takes...I think some "researchers" are stretching the truth. Somehow I doubt someone can crack a 128bit wep key in a matter of minutes on the average laptop. And for the people that say that WEP is really insecure...again in an urban/rural area is there actually people going around *wasting* their time sitting in a car just to see if they can crack your WEP key? If they are I haven't seen any. If anything they would be driving around trying to find an open wifi AP.
Jesus, sweet ignorance. :uhh:
I bet you live in some remote place - visit NYC and you'll realize nobody has to go to anywhere, I can see 10+ wifi connection in my home and I live in nice brownstone area, on the corner of the best park in NYC, not in a multi-dwelling apt building area where literally hundreds of wifi APs are within connection range...

WEP is fuckin dead. Use it in any urban area and you get your @ss owned within days.
Yes! Another person who doesn't read posts!
If you read my post I said that you should something else in an apartment area. And I like the use of "curse" words...hmmm. Oh and btw, I have been using WEP for years and no one ever got into my APs, what do you say to that? (I live in an urban/rural area like I talked about in my post...).

said by kamm See Profile :

said by jmn1207 See Profile :

said by avd706 See Profile :

You mean the vast majority of G cards cant go into promiscuous mode, but I'm sure you can get lots of hardware out there on the internet that can. WEP is dead. obsolete.
Probably so, but it's perfect for making sure the old retired couple next door doesn't accidentally connect to my wireless network, and it still allows the fastest transfer speeds considering the tiny overhead it creates.

We are talking about your neighbors with a few Dell computers that have very little understanding of networking protocols. WEP is an obsolete security measure, but it can be used to prevent a neighbor from inadvertently hijacking your connection, while still making it simple for your guests to be able to connect without having to delve into the router's advanced feature settings.
This is the type of soft nonsense that gives people some ver false sense of security - it's BS, sorry, people should drop WEP altogether, period.
Why? Because you say so? Because the neighborhood tech guy says so? Because geek squad says so?
If it works in residental areas, why should they use anything different? Oh I know because everyone has bought a wireless card from the internet that can go into "promiscuous mode" right? Better watch out your neighbor might also be a computer hacker too!

said by jhegfwsa56 :

The correct word is minutes not days :D WEP can be cracked in way less than an hour with REGULAR hardware available at ANY store just pick the right model and that's it. Every store probably have at least two models ready to crack you POS WEP encryption.
Really? So I can go pickup a Linksys G card and I'm set?

said by patcat88 See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

This is the type of soft nonsense that gives people some ver false sense of security - it's BS, sorry, people should drop WEP altogether, period.
WEP isn't security, its avoidance. If someone has the time they will get in easily, but it will keep the vast majority of problems away.
I think you just proved what I was saying. Is someone really going to sit outside your house with their laptop just to get into your network?

I think we should all rethink what we are talking about. jmn1207 has the right idea:
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

Well, WPA was significantly slower in my experience with the equipment we mostly used. And of these two, if anyone really was interested in hacking into my network, neither would be worth a crap. So I went with the fastest performer of the 2 I had available.
If someone REALLY WANTS to get into a network, they will find a way. I don't care about time, if someone is dead set into getting into your network (wireless or not) they will get into it. Majority of technology out there will keep the script kiddies at bay, but a hard veteran that knows what he is doing will get into your WEP/WPA/WPA2 network. But the same arugment I made eariler can be applied again: What does the average person have and know? The average person doesn't know jack about computers. Is the average person actually going to go out of their way just to learn how to crack your wireless? Possiblly, if you piss them off or something...but generally not.

Everyone here is treating the average person as some script kiddie who has access to their parents credit card, which this is NOT the case. If it was, then how come entities like geek squad are able to make so much money off of people (and charge ungodly rates to do it)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246673 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:44:30 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246649 beaups : I can crack 64 bit WEP in 1 minute and 128 bit in 5 tops. And the hidden ssid and MAC filtering is a joke and adds all of another 60 seconds to the process.

One real problem with wireless security is that "many" people feel it's only a tool to keep people from stealing their internet. Once your security is defeated, they can capture all of your online activity...this can be a big identity theft issue, or worse.

WPA (2) is the way to go with a long, very random password that contains no actual words. And it should be changed every couple days IMO]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246649 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:39:50 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246224 avd706 :
said by patcat88 See Profile :

said by kamm See Profile :

Jesus, sweet ignorance. :uhh:
I bet you live in some fuckin remote place - visit NYC and you'll realize nobody has to go to anywhere, I can see 10+ wifi connection in my home and I live in nice brownstone area, on the corner of the best park in NYC, not in a multi-dwelling apt building area where literally hundreds of wifi APs are within connection range...

...outside of your shack WEP is fuckin dead, try to understand it. Use it in any urban area and you get your @ss owned within days.
Union Square (NYC), each corner of the park has 250 APs visible, chance of connecting to any of them, zero b/c of noise levels.
A directional antenna cuts through all of that.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246224 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:28:17 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245704 patcat88 :
said by kamm See Profile :

Jesus, sweet ignorance. :uhh:
I bet you live in some fuckin remote place - visit NYC and you'll realize nobody has to go to anywhere, I can see 10+ wifi connection in my home and I live in nice brownstone area, on the corner of the best park in NYC, not in a multi-dwelling apt building area where literally hundreds of wifi APs are within connection range...

...outside of your shack WEP is fuckin dead, try to understand it. Use it in any urban area and you get your @ss owned within days.
Union Square (NYC), each corner of the park has 250 APs visible, chance of connecting to any of them, zero b/c of noise levels.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245704 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:59:17 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245687 patcat88 :
said by kamm See Profile :

This is the type of soft nonsense that gives people some ver false sense of security - it's BS, sorry, people should drop WEP altogether, period.
WEP isn't security, its avoidance. If someone has the time they will get in easily, but it will keep the vast majority of problems away. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245687 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:57:22 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245440 anon : The correct word is minutes not days :D WEP can be cracked in way less than an hour with REGULAR hardware available at ANY store just pick the right model and that's it. Every store probably have at least two models ready to crack you POS WEP encryption.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245440 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:16:49 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245374 jmn1207 : Well, WPA was significantly slower in my experience with the equipment we mostly used. And of these two, if anyone really was interested in hacking into my network, neither would be worth a crap. So I went with the fastest performer of the 2 I had available.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245374 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:59:25 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245354 avd706 :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

We are talking about your neighbors with a few Dell computers that have very little understanding of networking protocols. WEP is an obsolete security measure, but it can be used to prevent a neighbor from inadvertently hijacking your connection, while still making it simple for your guests to be able to connect without having to delve into the router's advanced feature settings.
AES is faster since encryption is done in hardware.

WEP keys are the most confusing system out the, hex keys in rotation. You can use a text passphrase to generate the WEP keys, but there is no guarantee that these text passphrases generate the same key amoung vendors.

Setting up WEP or WPA otherwise requires the same configuration effort in terms of configuring the router. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245354 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:56:44 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245337 jmn1207 : I would drop the wireless security altogether, but it keeps out innocent neighbors. I live in a suburb of DC and only see 1 other wireless network out there. We have big lawns with lots of space around us, it probably is not anything like Brooklyn. The street I live on has no passing traffic and the house is adjacent to a hiking trail and creek. WEP is perfect for me. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245337 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:53:10 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245274 kamm :
said by jmn1207 See Profile :

said by avd706 See Profile :

You mean the vast majority of G cards cant go into promiscuous mode, but I'm sure you can get lots of hardware out there on the internet that can. WEP is dead. obsolete.
Probably so, but it's perfect for making sure the old retired couple next door doesn't accidentally connect to my wireless network, and it still allows the fastest transfer speeds considering the tiny overhead it creates.

We are talking about your neighbors with a few Dell computers that have very little understanding of networking protocols. WEP is an obsolete security measure, but it can be used to prevent a neighbor from inadvertently hijacking your connection, while still making it simple for your guests to be able to connect without having to delve into the router's advanced feature settings.
This is the type of soft nonsense that gives people some ver false sense of security - it's BS, sorry, people should drop WEP altogether, period.
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said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

You know this stuff is really starting to *bug* me. Left and right I always see "WEP insecure don't use it", blah blah blah.
Anyone with fingers and more than 2 braincells to rub together will realize you can't just crack wireless APs with off the shelf wireless cards (at least the vast majority). That means that your neighbor is probably not going to be a "WEP cracker", so its safe to use WEP in a residential area. I'll bet anyone's neighbor here probably only knows the basics of Word. I would use something more industrial in a apartment area though; as since your signal can encompass more people...but in a urban/rural residential area where there is considerate amount of space between houses WEP is enough to keep the average doodle head from connecting to your wifi and thinking its his.
But again why are we even talking about this when the vast majority of people don't even use any protection at all! (Just walk down your street with your laptop, I'll bet you will find at least one open AP with a internet connection.)

I am NOT saying it isn't hackable, but for the amount of time it takes...I think some "researchers" are stretching the truth. Somehow I doubt someone can crack a 128bit wep key in a matter of minutes on the average laptop. And for the people that say that WEP is really insecure...again in an urban/rural area is there actually people going around *wasting* their time sitting in a car just to see if they can crack your WEP key? If they are I haven't seen any. If anything they would be driving around trying to find an open wifi AP.
Jesus, sweet ignorance. :uhh:
I bet you live in some remote place - visit NYC and you'll realize nobody has to go to anywhere, I can see 10+ wifi connection in my home and I live in nice brownstone area, on the corner of the best park in NYC, not in a multi-dwelling apt building area where literally hundreds of wifi APs are within connection range...

WEP is fuckin dead. Use it in any urban area and you get your @ss owned within days.
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said by bicker See Profile :

Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245261 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:40:30 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245240 jmn1207 :
said by avd706 See Profile :

You mean the vast majority of G cards cant go into promiscuous mode, but I'm sure you can get lots of hardware out there on the internet that can. WEP is dead. obsolete.
Probably so, but it's perfect for making sure the old retired couple next door doesn't accidentally connect to my wireless network, and it still allows the fastest transfer speeds considering the tiny overhead it creates.

We are talking about your neighbors with a few Dell computers that have very little understanding of networking protocols. WEP is an obsolete security measure, but it can be used to prevent a neighbor from inadvertently hijacking your connection, while still making it simple for your guests to be able to connect without having to delve into the router's advanced feature settings.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245240 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:36:37 EDT Re: Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245092 avd706 :
said by k1ll3rdr4g0n See Profile :

You know this stuff is really starting to *bug* me. Left and right I always see "WEP insecure don't use it", blah blah blah.
Anyone with fingers and more than 2 braincells to rub together will realize you can't just crack wireless APs with off the shelf wireless cards (at least the vast majority).
You mean the vast majority of G cards cant go into promiscuous mode, but I'm sure you can get lots of hardware out there on the internet that can. WEP is dead. obsolete. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245092 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:09:09 EDT Not again... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245021 k1ll3rdr4g0n : You know this stuff is really starting to *bug* me. Left and right I always see "WEP insecure don't use it", blah blah blah.
Anyone with fingers and more than 2 braincells to rub together will realize you can't just crack wireless APs with off the shelf wireless cards (at least the vast majority). That means that your neighbor is probably not going to be a "WEP cracker", so its safe to use WEP in a residential area. I'll bet anyone's neighbor here probably only knows the basics of Word. I would use something more industrial in a apartment area though; as since your signal can encompass more people...but in a urban/rural residential area where there is considerate amount of space between houses WEP is enough to keep the average doodle head from connecting to your wifi and thinking its his.
But again why are we even talking about this when the vast majority of people don't even use any protection at all! (Just walk down your street with your laptop, I'll bet you will find at least one open AP with a internet connection.)

I am NOT saying it isn't hackable, but for the amount of time it takes...I think some "researchers" are stretching the truth. Somehow I doubt someone can crack a 128bit wep key in a matter of minutes on the average laptop. And for the people that say that WEP is really insecure...again in an urban/rural area is there actually people going around *wasting* their time sitting in a car just to see if they can crack your WEP key? If they are I haven't seen any. If anything they would be driving around trying to find an open wifi AP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245021 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:56:16 EDT