Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network in Canadian Broadband http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21246007 en Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:49:13 EDT Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:49:13 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21254891 anon : BryceS,

HSPA uses a 2G GSM compatible core network. The HSPA compatible phones are 2G GSM backwards compatible but your probably right in that you will not be able to use older 2G GSM only phones on the Belus network like you will be able to on Rogers. Probably because of the W-CDMA air interface used.

Sounds like all the new phones coming out are HSPA compatible now a days so won't be an issue by 2010.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21254891 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:57:20 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253833 alex6999 : hm.... bell have same price ad verizon
verizon data plan for US+Canada - $129
include 5GB traffic.

Bell $65+$40(US)+$15(5GB) = $120 + %5 alberta tax.
i cannot get toronto phone to alberta address, but can ger data card.

its cheaper!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253833 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:53:48 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253635 Guspaz : If they intend to have it done by the 2010 olympics, they have slightly more than one year. I can see them deploying in major cities within that time. Saying we won't see it for 3-6 years is a bit silly. If they take that long, they might as well have gone directly to LTE.

So, I'm going to wager on a ~1.5 year live-to-public timeframe in at least Vancouver. Pretty good chances of Montreal and Toronto being online at the same time.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253635 Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:45:17 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253241 BryceS : Bell isn't deploying GSM, they're going straight to HSPA]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21253241 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:43:24 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251222 anon :
said by Phoneboy3 :

Telus can finance this themselves several times over or just pay cash! 500Mil-1Bil is not much to a national Telco.

They made over a billion in net profit just in the last 12 months.
I'm inclined to think that if the economic impediment is as little as you would suggest, that this deployment would have happened much earlier.

The writing's been on the wall, for CDMA, for some time. But based alone on the suggested quick ROI (1-3 yrs depending on who you ask) why would the telco's not have deployed the GSM long ago?

Because: It's expensive (and yes too, as time has elapsed more and more nails appeared in the coffin of CDMA reducing the 'risk' involved in jumping ship to GSM).

AIUI if this were to proceed 'on sched', then in no more than 2 years we should all be getting Bell GSM sig.

(Hint: Bell's still-undeployed IPTV offering - 4yrs behind sched?)

So for the BellUs GSM:
I'd pay 1:1 on us not seeing that for 6 years.
I'd pay 2:1 we don't see it in 4.
4:1 if you bet me that we see it in 3 years.
And I'd pay 10:1 for anyone wagering on a 2-yr go-live-to-public timeframe.

But only if I can borrow the money to cover my exposure, of course...

Heh heh heh]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21251222 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:06:31 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250902 anon : Telus can finance this themselves several times over or just pay cash! 500Mil-1Bil is not much to a national Telco.

They made over a billion in net profit just in the last 12 months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21250902 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:43:36 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249503 Guspaz : They say in the press release itself that they don't expect to make much (or any) money on this, but that it's something they have to do if they want to make money in the future.

It makes sense... CDMA is a dead-end spec. 75% of phones are in the GSM family, and likely a higher percentage of providers are. NOT doing this would be a slow eventual suicide.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249503 Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:28:44 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249181 anon :
said by phoneboy3 :

Money is no problem. Some estimates say the upgrade will pay for itself in about a year just from the increased roaming revenue. It's a no brainer.
No, it /is/ a brainer.

It doesn't matter how quickly it can be paid off, it the money can't be borrowed in the first place then the project doesn't leave the drawing board.

Besides, how much infrastructure development was done during the /last/ depression?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21249181 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:03:36 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248980 anon : Money is no problem. Some estimates say the upgrade will pay for itself in about a year just from the increased roaming revenue. It's a no brainer.

LTE is at least 3 years away from deployment and that is just what the Telco's are saying. Realistically it's probably gonna be more like 5-7. 5-7 is a VERY long time in Telco. WiMAX will have a huge lead by then.

Even if you believe the BS from the Telcos about how LTE is better it certainly won't be that much better. WiMAX is here now up and running and ready to go.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248980 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:23:39 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248571 BryceS : Bellus refers to the Bell/Telus network.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248571 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:10:50 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248315 mlerner :
said by extelus :

a billion? not likely.... the towers are already there... wave propagation in the correct format for HSPA requires what? a software upgrade perhaps,? some hardware outlay...but over time, and thats where the baseline of GSM propagates, the cost will be offset easily. Especially in handset costs, or lack thereof.

see the cbc website post above ...the projected cost is in the under half a billion costs for a Telus/Bell venture into HSPA.
It will be close to a billion and there is no upgrade path from CDMA to HSPA which means entirely new hardware.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248315 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:17:48 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248295 anon : a billion? not likely.... the towers are already there... wave propagation in the correct format for HSPA requires what? a software upgrade perhaps,? some hardware outlay...but over time, and thats where the baseline of GSM propagates, the cost will be offset easily. Especially in handset costs, or lack thereof.

see the cbc website post above ...the projected cost is in the under half a billion costs for a Telus/Bell venture into HSPA.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21248295 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:14:07 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21247995 anon : Heh, who's going to finance this $1B escapade?
»www.edmontonsun.com/News/Canada/···441.html

Nobody can borrow money for anything right now, not even a shipper of grain who's customers might be just dying to pay for the product:
> Grain shipments stalled in credit drought
> October 07, 2008
»www.financialpost.com/news/story···d=866310

Unless the financing for this deal is already locked up and there are no weasel clauses that lenders can still use this BellUs organ will never see the money, in sufficient time and at an affordable rate, to get into the GSM race.

Expect to see Rogers as the sole GSM provider for some time still, methinks...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21247995 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:06:10 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246651 anon : According to the link below, Telus will be right in there like a dirty shirt....

see the link below...
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···gsm.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246651 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:40:05 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246091 mlerner :
said by andyb See Profile :

So this is gonna happen about the same time IPTV hits the market? ;)
lol.. difference here is if they have a network up by the time the Olympics are here then they have an almost guaranteed revenue stream.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246091 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:05:32 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246007 diskace : andyb: hahaha no faith ? :P]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21246007 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:49:05 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245914 Guspaz : Bell has committed to having it ready before the Vancouver Olympics (2010). So about 16 months from now, I guess. The article didn't make it clear if they intended to roll out HSPA or LTE by that point; LTE is supposed to be fully ratified in 2 months.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245914 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:34:56 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245695 andyb : So this is gonna happen about the same time IPTV hits the market? ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245695 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:58:19 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245530 Guspaz : 'Bout time. I hope I'll be able to use SIM-based phones with Virgin soon.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245530 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:32:36 EDT Re: Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245461 mlerner : 1 down, 1 to go. Telus has yet to officially issue a press release..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245461 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:19:38 EDT Bellus Going To HSPA Network http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245270 BryceS : As it continues to expand and enhance its national 3G CDMA/EVDO service, Bell will also overlay this industry-leading network with HSPA technology, maximizing the latest-generation wireless options the company can offer customers across Canada.

Bell wireless customers will be able to choose between EVDO - already the dominant 3G standard in Canada and across North America - and HSPA, which is rapidly becoming the main platform with carriers outside North America. At the same time, overlaying HSPA on its national network will offer Bell the most efficient upgrade path to the 4G LTE broadband standard in coming years.

»www.bce.ca/en/news/releases/bm/2···991.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21245270 Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:41:38 EDT