mjwise
join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI
 ·AT&T U-Verse
| reply to S_engineer
Re: another.
Right. Evergreen Plaza, by my quick research, has not been doing well for a few years, and apparently that Christmastime fire last year helped nothing. Wal-mart compels no one to shop there, especially in the Chicago area.
And in 1952, I'm sure the Luddites like you were mourning the loss of the general store and the A&P to this big concrete monolith called the "Evergreen Plaza." Luddites never change. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
 ·Comcast
| If I were a Luddite, well then I wouldn't be in an online forum, much less embrace the Internet in the first place. Thats a pretty stupid analogy. Are you a Luddite for yearning for the days when Michigan had an reputable automotive industry, or do you embrace the overseas vehicle invasion?
Theres alot more to it than your 2 minute research shows. Unless you know it, then you should keep it to yourself!
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The "Lifetime" channel is responsible for 83% of all divorces...Robert Ginty |
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mjwise
join:2007-05-09
Ann Arbor, MI
·AT&T U-Verse
| Luddism comes in many forms, and many Luddites use the Internet. You obviously don't oppose all development and technological change - just certain ones. If it were up to you, we'd all still be buying our buggy whips at Ma and Pa's general store (which had great health benefits, you know).
Seriously though, I've been to areas that are still big-box store less (portions of the UP come to mind). Trust me, a Wal-mart would be a vast improvement in those areas over the mangy local grocery store with the owner's dog slinking around the grimy interior's poor selection of week-old produce.
> Are you a Luddite for yearning for the days when Michigan had an reputable automotive industry, or do you embrace the overseas vehicle invasion?
I think propping them up is wrong. They've had many opportunities to survive and prosper, and their managements have repeatedly pissed them away. (Ann Arbor has few Big 3 auto jobs). I believe it is Toyota building a huge facility not too far away from me either.
So tell me, why does Evergreen deserve a bailout and a forced shuttering of Wal-mart? Are they not letting the mallwalkers in at the Wal-mart or something? |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| In just the way that you think propping the big 3 up is wrong, I think that allowing a business to come in monopolize business via undercut pricing (at a loss) is wrong.
Listen, the village Evergreen Park received several million from the Walmart Corp as an incentive to allow their store to be built. This money went to the repaving of roads (w/asphalt)87th street and 95th street. Also new asphalt sidewalks were poured. Walmart wanted this site because of its close proximity to the City of Chicago (right across the street). Walmart went in with pricing thats below wholesale, forcing local small businesses in both EP and Chicago out of business. The village thought Walmart would "actually bring more traffic"...they were wrong. The Walmart Corp is keeping this store in place specifically to kill other local businesses in Chicago. The ones they kill in EP are just considered collateral damage.
Now take my distaste for Walmart aside, and think about the small businesses in and around the mall that will be asking you, joe taxpayer, for unemployment benefits. Plus, now you have the Walmart employees hitting up uncle sam for medical benefits.
Walmart means death to local business!
And by the way, those roads couldn't stand up to the winters, so they need repaving again.
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The "Lifetime" channel is responsible for 83% of all divorces...Robert Ginty |
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CUBS_FAN
Next Year Again..
join:2005-04-28
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
 ·Vonage
| said by S_engineer  :Walmart means death to local business! And by the way, those roads couldn't stand up to the winters, so they need repaving again. It happened that way when a Home Depot opened up in my neighborhood. A smaller Ace Hardware where I used to "GET SERVICE" like window screen repair and glass cutting is gone because they couldn't keep up with BIG BOX stores like Menard's and Lowe's and aforementioned Home Depot. |
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