tiger72
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| reply to dnoyeB
Re: Sweet!
said by dnoyeB  :So like "roads and canals", "national parks", and "interstate highways", the American people will own the broadband infrastructure!!! This is going to significantly reduce the cost of broadband by lowering the barrier to market entry, thus allowing for increased competition. That is, unless I missed something... Yeah. Reality. Universal Broadband aint goin anywhere. And where's the incentive for future upgrades if the Feds own the infrastructure? You can bet your ass if we had done this 10 years ago our net backbone would still be DS1's and DS3's and at BEST OC-3's instead of OC768 like it is now. You see how long it takes the gubment to fix roads? Levies? Social Security? Do you see how much they overpay on national defense procurement? Can you imagine the lobbying push by telcos and such to "contract" out the work at high prices that they now have to do on their own? Can you imagine the government legislating what kind of content may or may not be on its network? Look at the FCC! No porn. No "questionable" speech. Government peering in on EVERYone by default (no more having to go through ATT and battle with Qwest!). No more P2P. No more usenet. Everyone has to RELY on the government for their free speech on the internet! The **AA's would have a freakin field day with that.
No. No. No. No way in hell I can support our wasteful government using my tax dollars to pay for anything that evolves as quickly as network backbones. And while I am sometimes infuriated by some network providers' lack of interest in updating their infrastructure, that's only a tiny percentage of the anger we would all feel towards the government if it managed our internet connections.
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| Um... And Deregulation works? Obviously, we need a fine balance between government intervention and private business. We see what Deregulation got us... The worst economy since almost the Great Depression. Nice work there Republicans in both houses for MAKING and APPROVING the bill. Thanks there Clinton for signing their stupid law. Bipartisan stupidity for the win. |
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | reply to tiger72
It works fine in other countries like S. Korea where the government owns the infrastructure and leases it to companies to sell services on. |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
4 edits | reply to jc100
Since the dems have blocked attempts to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the past seven or eight years, and since the dems gave us the community reinvestment act (CRA) which lead to the creation of subprime loans, and since the dems have blocked attempts to increase the energy supply leading to higher energy costs across the board, and since there was a law signed in 1999 that allowed banks to own investment firms, I'm curious what makes you think the economy will improve?
When you say "The worst economy since almost the Great Depression", my belief is you ain't seen nothing yet unless the above mentioned issues are rectified. |
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tiger72
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said by jc100 :Um... And Deregulation works? Obviously, we need a fine balance between government intervention and private business. We see what Deregulation got us... The worst economy since almost the Great Depression. Nice work there Republicans in both houses for MAKING and APPROVING the bill. Thanks there Clinton for signing their stupid law. Bipartisan stupidity for the win. Huh? I've seen my prices with time-warner in my market stay stable ever since I moved here 6 years ago. My speed has gone from 3mbps/384kbps to 15mbps/1mbps for the same price. Not even an increase due to inflation. Why? Because of competition. I, like 90% of Americans, don't live in Bumville, Nebraska. I, like most Americans who live in cities, have competition. I've got DSL, Wifi, Cable, and Wireless Cell competition. If Cable raises its rate, I'll call em and cancel and switch to DSL. If DSL raises theirs I can get a T-Mobile data card. It ain't great, but it's better than nothing. And I'll take that over what the government always provides: bad service, bad investment, and bad management because the tax payers get to eat up every loss.
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-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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tiger72
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said by yabos :It works fine in other countries like S. Korea where the government owns the infrastructure and leases it to companies to sell services on. In a country that small and that densely populated, that's fine. But with the amount of lobbying and - dare i say - corruption in washington, All I see is the government paying out the ass. Seriously, there's no such thing as fiscal responsibility in Washington, and from a government that doesn't see a problem paying $600 for a toilet seat, do you think they'll make even remotely wise investments in broadband infrastructure? Their definition of "broadband" is 128kbps! Now you can at least switch to competition when you have it. If the government takes over you'll have blazing fast 128kbps for life! No more speed jumps from 3mbps-5mbps-8mbps-15mbps thanks to DSL price-competition. Nope. No competition other than on price. Which means no innovation for better technology.
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"What makes us omniscient? Have we a record of omniscience? ...If we can't persuade nations with comparable values of the merit of our cause, we'd better reexamine our reasoning."
-United States Secretary of Defense (1961-1968) Robert S. McNamara |
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Zen6
@rr.com | reply to tiger72
If you voted democrat you are already supporting a waste of tax dollars. Simply look at the rider to the 700bil stimulus. I say we should vote out ALL incumbents. |
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NoMoreGubmint
@fuse.net | reply to tiger72
Agree. Name me ONE thing the gubmint runs efficiently.
Barry |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
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Actually, the REPUBLICANS controlled the HOUSE and Senate from 1998 onward, until 2006. Congress, my friend, MAKES the laws. Not only that, from 2001 to 2006, Bush had a 100 percent rubber stamp congress with full approval. If they wanted to change anything, they very well could have. Don't feed me B.S. and call it chocolate. |
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jc100
join:2002-04-10
| reply to tiger72
So you like SOME americans live in a populated area served by MANY CHOICES. However, MANY Americans live in Suburbs or outside large cities that have one option or none at all. You don't have to be in the boondocks to still have few options. So while Deregulation gave SOME competition in VERY VERY competitive areas, for the most of the U.S., it HAS lead to higher prices. Where one company has a foothold, which is in MUCH of the U.S., prices go up up and away. |
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