| Sad It's sad to watch our country die right in front of our eyes. Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika. It only looks to get worse too especially if Obama is elected. |
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said by ender7074:It's sad to watch our country die right in front of our eyes. Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika. It only looks to get worse too especially if Obama is elected. Just keep your tires inflated and everything is going to be OK!
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said by ender7074:It's sad to watch our country die right in front of our eyes. Welcome to the Socialist States of Amerika. It only looks to get worse too especially if Obama is elected. Yes, because the Bush Administration's free market policies collapsing in front of us and then magically getting swept under the rug with 700 billion for private financial institutions is somehow not socialist. Please, define for me what isn't fucking socialist about the current administration's grand plan for injecting this much liquidity into the market, at the taxpayers expense.
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Mount Airy, MD | said by satellite68:Yes, because the Bush Administration's free market policies collapsing in front of us and then magically getting swept under the rug with 700 billion for private financial institutions is somehow not socialist. That's right. Socialism will fix everything.
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Buddy. Socialism ALREADY exists and has existed in this country SINCE it was founded.
Roads were built by ALL TAX PAYERS. Your money went into a collective pot, along with everyone elses. That money SOCIALIZED the building of those roads "for the greater good of all"
The medicines you enjoy were SOCIALIZED as tax payer money went to universities and hospitals to help fund research.
The education you got was SOCIALIZED. Did your parents, and those people with kids ONLY, pay for the schooling you got? Not unless you went to a private one. Otherwise, tax payers in your city, state, and federally PAID for your education whether or not they had kids. Socialized!
EMS, Fire, Emergency. All Socialized. EVERYONE'S money goes into the proverbial pot and PAYS for your luxury of services.
Long story short, ANY TIME TAX PAYERS and the GOVERNMENT do anything for you, it's socialized.
3 Options here:
- Write us all a HUGE CHECK and reimburse us since you hate it so bad.
- Fund all of the above on your own, and WRITE us a huge check for the services you've gotten.
- Move elsewhere if you hate the system here so badly. Ay, it's a choice and no one forces you to stay. |
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Mount Airy, MD | said by jc100:Roads were built by ALL TAX PAYERS. Your money went into a collective pot, along with everyone elses. That money SOCIALIZED the building of those roads "for the greater good of all" The cost of most roads is paid for by tolls, registration fees, gas taxes and other user fees assessed on drivers and vehicle owners. While these fees do go into a collective pot, they are not really coerced from anyone. People who do not drive or own a registered vehicle pay just about nothing for roads.
said by jc100:The medicines you enjoy were SOCIALIZED as tax payer money went to universities and hospitals to help fund research. Which explains why drug companies spend tons of their own money on R&D?
said by jc100:The education you got was SOCIALIZED. And there are many people who are not happy with public schools in this country. That, along with the overall failure of most socialist broadband deployments in this country, pretty much foreshadow the failure of socialist broadband on a national scale.
said by jc100:EMS, Fire, Emergency. All Socialized. EVERYONE'S money goes into the proverbial pot and PAYS for your luxury of services. Except that many jurisdictions now charge fees for ambulance usage. Furthermore, you are comparing a legitimate government-provided service to something that is a luxury item. What is next, taxpayer-financed cable TV or luxury cars?
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said by pnh102:Socialism will fix everything. You misspelled "fascism" (as in "The Bush Administrations fascist policies"), but that's all right, there's little enough difference between the two. |
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PNH - Registration Fees, Gas Taxes, and NORMAL TAXES... ARE ALL TAX PAYER MONEY. DUH!!!!!!! SOCIALIZED. Thanks for making my case.
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Which explains why drug companies spend tons of their own money on R&D?
Which EXPLAINS why TAX PAYERS ALSO SUBSIDIZE THIS RESEARCH TOO. - SOCALIZED
"Of course, what one critic calls "pork," someone else may regard as money well spent. For example, the "Pig Book" points to $59 million for medical research projects, which many Americans might consider a perfectly good way to spend their tax dollars. "
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And there are many people who are not happy with public schools in this country. That, along with the overall failure of most socialist broadband deployments in this country, pretty much foreshadow the failure of socialist broadband on a national scale.
Wonderful. MOVE and educate your children in other countries if our system is SO BAD. No one forces ANYONE to stay in a specific school system, area, etc. Take your children to another city with better schools. Move out of country. Either which way, TAX PAYERS FUNDED THE EDUCATION you received unless you went to private school. THEN, you social other's education still.
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Except that many jurisdictions now charge fees for ambulance usage. Furthermore, you are comparing a legitimate government-provided service to something that is a luxury item. What is next, taxpayer-financed cable TV or luxury cars?
STILL.. Fire Fighters, Police, EMS, are all paid for by PROPERTY TAXES, FEDERAL MONEY, ETC. Socialized. So they collect AN ADDITIONAL FEE to help socialize. So don't use the service, then.
P.S. Necessary Services are subjective. Build your own roads, educate your own kids, research your own medicines, and fight your own fires (police, ems, etc). I deem them NON ESSENTIAL. You want an ABSOLUTELY non socialized country, DO THOSE things for yourself. You can't have it both ways. You've proven my case. We live in a SOCIALIZED COUNTRY and all you NAYSAYERS whine but seem to enjoy the free services that EVERYONE gives you the luxury of having. |
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Less we forget the SOCIALIZED 700 Billion TAX PAYER bail out (largest since great depression) to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS who squandered their money away, and BEGGED for a bail out. These same companies also give their CEOS 100 million dollar golden parachutes, and then NEED TAX PAYER MONEY. AIG for one, had a 1/2 million dollar retreat planned for executives, at the same time it was saying it was broke.... Tax payers again ay. |
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I'm not your buddy. Of course there's socialized services such as roads, schools, and other services, all against the Constitution (you really should try reading it sometime). I do not support public schools. Why should I have to pay for your kid to go to school? I do not support socialized medicine. Awful and most of the money for research comes from the private sector, not governemt. I do not support taking the tax payer's money and giving it to someone else because some wealth idiot in Washington decides it's politically expedient to rob someone to buy a vote? About the only thing I can get behind in your bad examples are roads and emergency services.
When the government uses my tax dollars to "bail out" things that it has no power to be messing with in the first place, oops socialism. What do you call it when the government takes billions of tax dollars and gives it to private companies such as the banks, auto industry, and other private institutions, charity? What do you call the partial nationalization of the banking industry? What do you call it when I work my ass off for a paycheck but I lose almost 40% of that to fund useless pork projects? Dont be an idiot. And as far as leaving this country, why would I do that when I can stay here and vote these socialist pigs out of office?
The government has specific powers outlined in the Constitution. They are so far outside the bounds of that its not even funny. Why do you think our tax rates are so high? If they only levied taxes to pay for what they are supposed to be doing and not the trillions of dollars for all the other BS projects they fund (wooden arrow production, the wool research fund, ACORN, and every other bs thing that a politician wants to fund)we'd be in a lot better shape. |
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Just a point on the multinational and big US drug company expenditures on R+D.
Those numbers are one of the many big lies put out by the industry. Those dollars are mostly spent on Process deveopment and market researh.
Pretty much anything comercial came from either a college/univeristy or small company lab. When a new product is developed it is snatched up by a big boy who markets and reap in 2-3k percent profit on manufacture.
I work with the industry - - know the numbers. |
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said by russotto:said by pnh102:Socialism will fix everything. You misspelled "fascism" (as in "The Bush Administrations fascist policies"), but that's all right, there's little enough difference between the two. You obviously have no idea what facism is. Please research before spouting off MSNBC propaganda. |
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said by pnh102:said by jc100:Roads were built by ALL TAX PAYERS. The cost of most roads is paid for by tolls, registration fees, gas taxes and other user fees assessed on drivers and vehicle owners. That's a distinction without a difference. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, popularly known as the National Interstate and Defense Highways Act allocated $25 billion interstate highway projects. It ended up costing $114 billion ($425 billion in today's dollars).
That money was supposed to come from taxes on fuel, tires, auto and truck sales.
The problem with your argument (that it wasn't "socialization") is obvious when viewing a map of the interstates:
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Not everyone paying for those interstates enjoyed equal use of them. Many people who paid taxes on fuel, tires, etc., had no day-to-day (or even month-to-month) access to them, while others did.
In other words, "the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few." A classic definition of socialism.
You enjoy that maxim in many aspects of your life (such as food and drug quality laws; SEC regulation of the stock market; building codes and zoning laws; social creation of corporate entities, a fictional yet legal "person"). But, you go out of your way to depict these things as if they aren't "socialism" just so you can continue your rhetoric.
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You pay for many of those things because it is in the best interest of society as a whole AND you.
Education and roads alone have benefited society to an exponential amount that you could never measure. Yet those very things give you much of what you enjoy today regardless of what it is. |
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said by ender7074:said by russotto:said by pnh102:Socialism will fix everything. You misspelled "fascism" (as in "The Bush Administrations fascist policies"), but that's all right, there's little enough difference between the two. You obviously have no idea what facism is. Please research before spouting off MSNBC propaganda. Please read a history book. "Neo-Conservativeism is fascism."
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said by jc100:PNH - Registration Fees, Gas Taxes, and NORMAL TAXES... ARE ALL TAX PAYER MONEY. DUH!!!!!!! SOCIALIZED. Thanks for making my case. Incorrect. All of these fees are voluntary. If you do not own a car you do not pay them. Taxes are involuntary and you pay them regardless of your situation.
Furthermore, not everyone who owns a car in this country pays taxes, so again you are wrong.
said by jc100:Which EXPLAINS why TAX PAYERS ALSO SUBSIDIZE THIS RESEARCH TOO. - SOCALIZED While the government does pay for some research, it certainly does not pay for all of it. Socialism would imply that government paid for all drug R & D.
said by jc100:Wonderful. MOVE and educate your children in other countries if our system is SO BAD. No one forces ANYONE to stay in a specific school system, area, etc. Why? There are plenty of private and public schools around that seem to do a good job of educating students. However, most of the bad schools are in fact public. The bad private schools don't stay open as their customers vote with their feet and wallets to find different schools.
said by jc100:STILL.. Fire Fighters, Police, EMS, are all paid for by PROPERTY TAXES, FEDERAL MONEY, ETC. Socialized. So they collect AN ADDITIONAL FEE to help socialize. So don't use the service, then. And again, you are comparing necessary services to unnecessary ones.
said by jc100:P.S. Necessary Services are subjective. No, they are not. You cannot claim that both firefighters and broadband are necessary.
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| said by pnh102:All of these fees are voluntary. If you do not own a car you do not pay them. Taxes are involuntary and you pay them regardless of your situation. That's funny. Like saying a tax on food is voluntary, like anyone has a real choice about whether to eat or not.
Energy (transportation) taxes touch everyone regardless of whether they drive. From taking the bus to the cost of food.
said by pnh102:While the government does pay for some research, it certainly does not pay for all of it. Socialism would imply that government paid for all drug R & D. So, if government only pays for 99%, it's not "socialism?"
If it is, then what is the exact percentage that it's "socialism?"
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Sorry, dont get my "history" from MSNBC. But, since you insist on being insulting, how 'bout we call all libs Stalinists? Thats what they are. Or how aobut Maoists? Both fit perfectly. |
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said by Skippy25:You pay for many of those things because it is in the best interest of society as a whole AND you. Education and roads alone have benefited society to an exponential amount that you could never measure. Yet those very things give you much of what you enjoy today regardless of what it is. Have to agree. As much as I dislike the idea of socialism, there are just some things that the government needs to provide a certain level of and that surely benefit everyone far more than anyone actually pays for it. An educated nation is one of them imo.
Something like this is not a zero sum game. Nobody has to lose, nobody has to have less, to provide a poor person with a certain level of education. Its in everyones best interest, and everyone gains far more than they put in. What that "certain level" is though is debatable.
What a certain level of education does for the productivity of a nation and economy as a whole is beyond measure, but Im sure it benefits me more than the x% taxes I pay out.
How is an office going to employ someone to do its filing if 70% of the nation cant read because it couldnt afford to go to school? |
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