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Stewy
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[Rant] CRTC wants to control Internet broadcasting now

CRTC examining broadcasting on the web
Oct 15, 2008 02:08 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS

»www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/517925
The CRTC is reviewing its policy of allowing unregulated distribution of broadcast media content over the Internet and cellphones.

The federal regulator has taken a hands-off approach to newer types of media distribution, while continuing to regulate radio and television outlets.

However, the CRTC wants to re-examine its current policy, noting that Canadians are spending more time accessing high-quality content over the Internet and mobile devices.
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The Great Firewall of Canada soon to be implemented. We are truly screwed now, this the day after a fed election and just before the CRTC rules in favor of Bell on throttling. Say goodbye to the internet as you know it.

Our last unregulated communications network is under attack by Big Brother. Yeesh. Government just can't stay out of our lives. At this rate you'll have to check with the CRTC to use a bull horn. Cheers. Posted by Andru at 3:01 PM Wednesday, October 15 2008

It’s perverse enough that the CRTC already regulates the views, ideas and content that adult Canadians can and cannot see or hear on television and radio. Now, apparently without much else to do, the CRTC wants to tell us what we should be watching, seeing, reading or doing on the Internet. How can Canadians, as citizens in a free an democratic country, tolerate this? Perhaps the CRTC has already contacted the Chinese government with respect to building Canada’s version of the “Great Firewall.” Posted by gsesmart at 3:08 PM Wednesday, October 15 2008
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Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
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Devanchya
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There are days when I want a "Reality Bubble". I see it like the giant hamster ball that Stewy was in for Family Guy.


Stewy
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said by DKS See Profile :

Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
wow that is one bold statement...


happylurk

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said by DKS See Profile :

Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
Call it what you like. It stinks of petty, nationalistic, bolshevik censorship to me...


Capitalist

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said by DKS See Profile :

Productivity is being sapped by internet use.
Productivity? Could you elaborate, please?
said by DKS See Profile :

And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided.
This is normally handled by private contracts. Has something changed?
said by DKS See Profile :

Someone has to pay.
Advertisers. Subscriptions (viewer). Pay-per-view (viewer). New business model suggestions welcome.


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said by DKS See Profile :

Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
No wonder the Government is going down the tubes, you're feeding into their BS. Sorry DKS, I don't believe I should pay a Canadian tax or be subjected to content filtering on the internet. Why? Because the internet is not Canadian. The Government cannot impose fees on the internet to subsidize Canadian content just because the content creators cannot make a profit which BTW is their own problem. It's bad enough we have to pay a levy on blank media.


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said by mlerner See Profile :

Why? Because the internet is not Canadian.
But YOU are. Where it comes from is irrelevant. You live in Canada.
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The story is so vague, you have no idea what the CRTC has in mind. Perhaps, and this is logical to me, the CRTC is looking at a way of linking a broadcasters broadcasting license to their presence on the web. In other words, I would expect the CRTC to enforce the same sort of broadcasting standards to a broadcasters on air and online presence.

Maybe it's as simple as that?
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said by shaner See Profile :

The story is so vague, you have no idea what the CRTC has in mind. Perhaps, and this is logical to me, the CRTC is looking at a way of linking a broadcasters broadcasting license to their presence on the web. In other words, I would expect the CRTC to enforce the same sort of broadcasting standards to a broadcasters on air and online presence.

Maybe it's as simple as that?
Agreed, that's what it reads like to me as well.
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said by shaner See Profile :

Perhaps, and this is logical to me, the CRTC is looking at a way of linking a broadcasters broadcasting license to their presence on the web. In other words, I would expect the CRTC to enforce the same sort of broadcasting standards to a broadcasters on air and online presence.
That doesn't make sense, unless broadcasters change what they are making available on the internet. As it is now they just make available what they've already aired on TV/radio and therefore it's already controlled by the CRTC. Sounds to me like a power grab by the (almost useless) CRTC to make themselves feel more important.
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A lot of shows are now moving into the "net Only" broadcasting. Sure it is a small market right now... I figure this is CRTC making a ruling that THOSE programs cannot be counted as the "Canadian Content" produced under law for broadcast by the companies. Some TV stations may want to spend $10000 on cheap web-based content and put more 'profitable' non-Canadian content on the regular airways


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reply to Stewy
Tastes more like a media power grab by the CRTC to be honest. I've never been a fan of Cancon, and stopped watching most TV in the first place because of it. To be honest? If the content is interesting, people will watch it. You don't need to force people.


Stewy
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"CRTC is reviewing its policy of allowing unregulated distribution of broadcast media content over the Internet"

what is truly frightening in this sentence is the wording, the CRTC at the present is "allowing" unregulated internet content to Canadians. They already are the gatekeepers on Cable, Radio and Satellite but now they also want to do the same for the Internet.

Distribution of media content over the internet doesn't need nor should it be regulated dictated in Canada.
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yabos

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reply to DKS
said by DKS See Profile :

Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
It sounds to me like they're talking about things like the iTunes store that sells TV shows. No one will ever, *ever* stop piracy of anything on the internet.


Capitalist

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I think those of us living outside "reality bubbles" realize this is a bureaucratic power grab. The concern, for those paying attention and not fighting other battles, is over the attempted distortion (melding) of broadcasting and distribution. One is push, the other is pull - something you can expect technical argument over for non-technical reasons.

CRTC reviewing its policy of not regulating Internet and mobile content
quote:
MONTREAL — With Canadians watching more TV shows and video on websites, the CRTC is reviewing its policy of allowing broadcasting content to be unregulated on the Internet and cellphones.

The federal broadcast regulator has taken a hands-off approach to the distribution of broadcasting content over the Internet since 1999, while continuing to regulate radio and television outlets.

The CRTC also exempted broadcasting services that are received on cellphones and other mobile devices in 2007.

But, the growing dominance of the Internet is causing the CRTC to take a look at what it calls the "new media environment."
continued: »canadianpress.google.com/article···W04pQ8qQ

CRTC to examine broadcasting in the new media environment
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OTTAWA-GATINEAU — The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) today launched a proceeding to gain a better understanding of broadcasting in the new media environment. The proceeding will include a public hearing starting on February 17, 2009, in Gatineau, Que.

In 1999, the Commission exempted from regulation services that distribute broadcasting content over the Internet. In 2007, it also exempted broadcasting services that are received through cellphones and other mobile devices. Today, high-speed Internet access has been adopted by most Canadians, new technologies and applications are offering high-quality broadcasting content, and Canadians are spending more time accessing this type of content over the Internet and mobile devices.

With this proceeding, the Commission wishes to further examine the role of broadcasting in the current new media environment, and what role this environment can be expected to play in the Canadian broadcasting system in the future.

The Commission initiated a public consultation in May 2008 to narrow the range of issues that could be considered. Further to this consultation, the CRTC now invites comments on specific questions related to:

* the definition of broadcasting in new media
* the significance of broadcasting in new media and its impact on the traditional broadcasting system
* incentives or regulatory measures for the creation and promotion of Canadian broadcasting content in new media
* access to broadcasting content in new media
* other broadcasting or public policy objectives, and
* the appropriateness of the Commission's exemption orders for new media and mobile broadcasting services.

Interested parties may submit their comments by December 5, 2008. They may do so by filling out the online form, by writing to the Secretary General, CRTC, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0N2, or by fax, at
819-994-0218.
»www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/NEWS/RELEASES···1015.htm


Wolfie00
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reply to DKS
said by DKS See Profile :

Sorry you don't get it. Productivity is being sapped by internet use. And rightful compensation of compensation to creators of content is being avoided. Someone has to pay. Do you think you are exempt from reality?
You're partly right, but for the wrong reasons. Compensation can be provided to content owners just as readily as with traditional broadcast media; this is not about piracy prevention.

What it's primarily about is that we are in an era where you can purchase (or sometimes get for free) full-scale access to streaming media that is equivalent to cable or satellite channels. This raises quality and standards issues, among other things, that need to be regulated just as in traditional broadcasting. And furthermore, if the Internet as a whole is not regulated by a public body like the CRTC, it will be de facto regulated by commercial interests -- which is what the net neutrality argument has been all about.

What I object to, though, is that we may soon find ourselves unable to access (or unable to purchase) content from outside Canada due to nothing else but Canadian content restrictions or broadcast rights restrictions -- same reason we can't subscribe to U.S. satellite services. I object to both restrictions. We do need to aggressively fund Canadian creativity and content creation, but throwing someone in jail for watching U.S. television is not the way to do it!
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reply to Stewy
said by Stewy See Profile :

"CRTC is reviewing its policy of allowing unregulated distribution of broadcast media content over the Internet"

what is truly frightening in this sentence is the wording, the CRTC at the present is "allowing" unregulated internet content to Canadians. They already are the gatekeepers on Cable, Radio and Satellite but now they also want to do the same for the Internet.

Distribution of media content over the internet doesn't need nor should it be regulated dictated in Canada.
The "Great Firewall of Canada" to rival the Great Firewall of China?
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Drudwy

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the levy on blank media is what allows canadians to burn content to DVD that they've downloaded, regardless of how, without risk (currently, the canadian DMCA is likely to change that for the worse in every way) of being sued, as the courts have ruled that since there is a cost on media to pay such fees, the copyright use is paid for.

now let's hope the canadian DMCA is prevented from passing, because if it does, it will become illegal to remove spyware form your computer, as just one example of how badly written that bill is.


Det0nator

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has tariff 22 passed? im confused as ive been reading into this some website articles dated oct 28 seem to indicate if passed while i get the impression from other sites that its a done deal. so which is it?
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