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|  Perfectly reasonable response to needs of press; secret svc.
Complaints about this being unfair are childish. Even if the Secret Service hadn't requested this, the press corps would demand it as part of covering a presidential candidate.
Verizon, AT&T, etc do as much for any special event and the presidential campaign is a special event.
So, you as a lowly nobody wouldn't get the same treatment. Well, DUH!!! Run for president and you too can get this kind of coverage at a residence.
And the Washington Post story is just a long ongoing editorial policy that is anti-Republican party. They should have asked their own political reporters if they supported this? The answer would have been an unequivocal yes.
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| said by TKJunkMail  :Complaints about this being unfair are childish. Even if the Secret Service hadn't requested this, the press corps would demand it as part of covering a presidential candidate. Verizon, AT&T, etc do as much for any special event and the presidential campaign is a special event. So, you as a lowly nobody wouldn't get the same treatment. Well, DUH!!! Run for president and you too can get this kind of coverage at a residence. And the Washington Post story is just a long ongoing editorial policy that is anti-Republican party. They should have asked their own political reporters if they supported this? The answer would have been an unequivocal yes. I usually agree with you, but I disagree here. We understand that as a Presidential candidate, having cell phone coverage is imperative, and for Verizon/AT&T/Sprint, whoever to take a mobile one out to them, or anywhere, is the right thing to do.
What we have a problem is that we're fucken (yes, the "F" word!) tired of the government and these corporations treating us like complete morons and think we'll believe their God damn lies about they would do it for us - that's bullshit.
Verizon, and AT&T, did it to get on the good side of McCain, just "in case" he wins - we get that. Just stop treating us like children. |
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4 edits | said by Rob :What we have a problem is that we're fucken (yes, the "F" word!) tired of the government and these corporations treating us like complete morons and think we'll believe their God damn lies about they would do it for us - that's bullshit. I agree that the EXPLANATION by the McCain campaign rep was idiotic. They wouldn't do this for ANYBODY. And everybody knows it. But doing it to provide coverage for a remote major residence of a presidential candidate was correct and that is what he should have said. If the McCain spokesman worked for me, I'd have fired him for being an idiot.
Also, I am sure Bush's ranch has special cell coverage as well.
P.S> the BBR story incorrectly attributed that ridiculous explanation to Verizon( quote:
Before you start complaining that this stinks of inappropriate influence peddling, be aware that Verizon says they'd do the same for any one of you:
"Mrs. McCain's staff went through the Website as any member of the general public would -- no string pulling, no phone calls, no involvement of Senate staff," Rogers said. "Just because she is married to a senator doesn't mean she forfeits her right to ask for cell service as any other Verizon customer can."
). It was by Rogers - a McCain campaign staffer. quote:
McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said the senator is not a regulator and Cindy McCain received no favors from Verizon.
"Mrs. McCain's staff went through the Website as any member of the general public would -- no string pulling, no phone calls, no involvement of Senate staff," Rogers said. "Just because she is married to a senator doesn't mean she forfeits her right to ask for cell service as any other Verizon customer can."
Here is what Verizon said:
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Verizon spokesman Jeffrey Taylor declined to elaborate. "I am not going to talk about individual customers and their requests," Taylor said.
And what AT&T said:
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"This is an unusual situation," said AT&T spokeswoman Claudia B. Jones. "You can't have a presidential nominee in an area where there is not cell coverage."
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said by TKJunkMail :Complaints about this being unfair are childish. Even if the Secret Service hadn't requested this, the press corps would demand it as part of covering a presidential candidate. OK, but let them pay for it. Why should I, as a Verizon Wireless customer, have to pay for service for a millionaire who chose to live in the middle of nowhere? |
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Presumably the McCains are already paying for landlines and internet service out to the ranch. Why not set up femtocells if cell phone service is so necessary?
Indeed, if the campaign and/or the family require cell service at the ranch, why is VZ and AT&T providing it for free? Surely the campaign has the funds to pay for the temporary tower (if it's for campaign purposes) and we know Cindy McCain has the money to construct a tower (if it's for family purposes).
Here's a question: is the cost of providing service for free to the Senator listed as a political donation? Is he reporting the gift? Isn't this what got Ted Stevens into trouble?
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| said by Corydon :Presumably the McCains are already paying for landlines and internet service out to the ranch. Why not set up femtocells if cell phone service is so necessary? Indeed, if the campaign and/or the family require cell service at the ranch, why is VZ and AT&T providing it for free? Surely the campaign has the funds to pay for the temporary tower (if it's for campaign purposes) and we know Cindy McCain has the money to construct a tower (if it's for family purposes). Here's a question: is the cost of providing service for free to the Senator listed as a political donation? Is he reporting the gift? Isn't this what got Ted Stevens into trouble? I am fairly sure this wasn't mostly for McCain and his staff, but for the hundreds of reporters covering the campaign. Maybe they should be paying for it. But again they probably are thru very heavy use of the providers cell service.
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For once, bud, I have to disagree. 
Here are some of my issues, and they are pure opinion and purely my own views:
1) He's a senator still, not a president. This, to me, looks like a favor, or, campaign contribution in my eye. We have, for years, run campaigns with out cell phones. While on his remote ranch, he needs to make phone calls, he can reach out and touch someone via land line.
2) As a Senator, OR even a presidential nominee or actual president, the fact that he can't get service is honestly something they need to feel the pain of. McCain spent a LARGE amount of time bashing Obama, wrongfully in my view, about being an elitist. The fact that he needs to have a special tower dropped for him, so he can work from home, while out in his ranch in the middle of rural America should be an eye opening wake up call that there needs to be some serious legislation paid towards rural America. Giving him that tower is going to give him pass to the issue. I see our government elected officials as servants and slaves to the people, not the other way around. They need to learn to live in the same level as us before they live better than us.
3) If he is an actual President and needs better coverage, then the people should be paying to "lease" a tower for him while in office. However, in this case, it doesn't appear that this is being funded by anyone other than the cellular provider. It just doesn't look good. To the people/public that care, this looks clearly that VZ (or ATT) is bucking for a favor. And, I'm sorry to say, I believe that the telcos DID get favorable status in their mergers. (Again, just my opinion)
4) I think you absolutely CAN have a Presidential Nominee in an area where there is no cell coverage. As I said before, they need to feel our pain in order to feel the need to do something about it. Again, MANY presidents were elected and never once picked up a cellular phone. And, if he is the nominee, and when he loses, are they going to come pull the tower? Seems to me that if the nominee needs a tower, he can use his campaign money to pay for it. As I see it, it's part of the cost to getting elected. Just as his travel, phone, and other communications expenses are covered expenses, so can this be as well.
I think what sets me off on this particular topic, and I think you know my views and feelings well enough, is that my overall basic view of people elected into office or appointed by our elected representatives, need to live and operate much more humble than they are/do. I do not believe for one minute that many of them need to drive the level of cars they do, stay in the class of hotels they do, fly first class or on private jets, eat in the finest restaurants they do, and many other services they are allowed to partake in on the public dime. If it were me, MUCH more of our government officials would be in the appearance and spirit to that more of a local city government setup.
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In 3 weeks, the reporters won't be hanging around McCain anymore.  |
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God..., I hate to play devils advocate on a point being made, especially when I agree with you.
But.. to take your point to task - and to spur a conversation about this.. I say this..
I do not agree with funding ANYONE that chooses to live in a rural, under-served area. I am largely against the USF tax collected to pay to subsidize those that want to take the easy life out in the middle of nowhere. I also do not agree that anyone should be required to pay anything towards pushing broadband and cable out to rural America where the cost outweighs the recovery in monthly subscriptions.
So with that said, what I took exception to is the word "Millionaire" ... simply because I would have to, if I said this in my own words, say, "Why should I, as a Verizon Wireless customer, have to pay for service for **anyone** who chose to live in the middle of nowhere?" |
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He has 7 houses. Stay in one with service. No tears for him or his hag. As usual you only read enough to put together another bs response.Verizon said they would do the same for any of their customers. Take the blinders off.
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4 edits | said by jrobert69 :He has 7 houses. Stay in one with service. No tears for him or his hag. As usual you only read enough to put together another bs response. Verizon said they would do the same for any of their customers. Take the blinders off. And you should read the story before shooting your mouth off. Did you read the Wash Post story?
»voices.washingtonpost.com/washin···_to.html
Verizon NEVER said that. It was a McCain staffer.
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The campaigns charge reporters fairly hefty fees to tag along with the candidates. I don't see why they couldn't do the same for access to the candidate's private property.
Here's an example of what Hofstra University is charging the media for just covering the debate: »www.hofstra.edu/pdf/debate/debat···card.pdf (Warning: PDF) Here's a sample: it's $52.50 to rent a decorative plant for the night. 
Covering the campaigns isn't cheap.
Besides, I don't think that there are many reporters permitted access to the McCain's ranch. They've used it for any number of things they've tried to keep out of the news, such as the meeting with Gov. Palin prior to the announcement of her selection as VP nominee.
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Exactly. The usual totally misleading article by Karl.
VZ claimed nothing of the sort with regards to doing it for any member of the public. They declined to comment.
And AT&T were totally open about it being special treatment and were happy to admit that they would NOT have done it for just anybody:
"AT&T's Jones said, the company contacted the McCains for permission to install a cell site on wheels. She said that ordinarily, given the few number of residents, AT&T would not have installed a facility, but McCain's standing as a candidate warranted it." |
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said by fiberguy :my overall basic view of people elected into office or appointed by our elected representatives, need to live and operate much more humble than they are/do. Totally agree. The problem is career politicians. Despicable people in it for the power, status, and money, without the first concern for the welfare of the people they are employed to serve. Sadly almost all people in government office are career politicians. Maybe its impractical for it to be any other way, I dont know. |
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said by TKJunkMail :Run for president and you too can get this kind of coverage at a residence. Yeah.... Prezident.........
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said by Bobcat :In 3 weeks, the reporters won't be hanging around McCain anymore. Perhaps that is why they put in a temporary tower?
And they probably find a way to charge all the reported roaming fees.
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said by jrobert69 :He has 7 houses. Stay in one with service. No tears for him or his hag. As usual you only read enough to put together another bs response.Verizon said they would do the same for any of their customers. Take the blinders off. Hag? I did not know you had enough personal dealings with her to know that she is one. Tell me, how did you get close enough to rich folks like the Obama's and McCain's to know for a fact that Mrs. McCain has personal traits that define a hag? Or is it because she has lived a fuller life than you and the years show on her exterior?
As far as Mrs. McCain's money buying houses, since I do not have a rich wife. I might settle for people like Antoin "Tony" Rezco helping me buy a mansion.....or maybe not, I have a bit more pride than that.
All depends on what dirt you want to look at and twist for spite. But name calling to try and show you are better than someone you do not know personally sort of reflects poorly upon you.
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Re: Perfectly reasonable response to needs of press; secret svc.
said by Corydon :The campaigns charge reporters fairly hefty fees to tag along with the candidates. I don't see why they couldn't do the same for access to the candidate's private property. Here's an example of what Hofstra University is charging the media for just covering the debate: » www.hofstra.edu/pdf/debate/debat···card.pdf (Warning: PDF) Here's a sample: it's $52.50 to rent a decorative plant for the night. Covering the campaigns isn't cheap. Besides, I don't think that there are many reporters permitted access to the McCain's ranch. They've used it for any number of things they've tried to keep out of the news, such as the meeting with Gov. Palin prior to the announcement of her selection as VP nominee. And you don't think the major networks get that money back in ads they sell for their coverage? Reports tagging along may pay to have that "privilege" but they still make out in the end. |
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How many of McCain's houses did they do this for? Heck, how often is he at this specific house for this be to warranted at all?
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