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| Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 Update 10 - October 16, 200 Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 Update 10
The Java SE Runtime Environment (JRE) allows end-users to run Java applications.
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 Ronnie_USAPremium
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kudos:5 | Than You Nick, got it. |
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More info, posted yesterday:
»[Update] Java 6u10 |
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 HA NutPremium
join:2004-05-13
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4 edits | reply to NICK ADSL UK
I loaded it too. Thanks!
FYI regarding the default installation...
JRE 6 Update 10 installs a new service that runs from boot called Java Quick Starter. JRE 6 Update 10 also installs a JQS BHO in IE and a JQS extension in FF.
You can disable the service if you want (which is what I originally did) or the more complete solution is to open the Java Control Panel, Advanced Tab and uncheck Java Quick Starter. This removes the service, the BHO and the FF extension.
**Edited for a better explanation** |
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Thanks, Nick. |
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 BlackbirdBuilt for SpeedPremium
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Java Finally Will Have an Option to Replace Older Versions Thanks Nick!
This is something of a watershed Java update for Sun. To many users who have complained about a Java update leaving older, security-vulnerable versions in place and accessible (unless manually uninstalled), Sun appears to have been listening! From a Sun website regarding JRE 1.6.10 :
»java.sun.com/javase/6/docs/techn···reUpdate
The JRE can now be installed in two configurations: patch-in-place and static. JRE updates may be configured to patch a pre-existing installation or do a brand new installation.
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Patch-in-place configuration
The patch-in-place mode implies that when a version of the JRE exists on a machine, any updates belonging to the same JRE family will be done in place, meaning, the existing JRE will be patched with changes. A JRE is installed in patch-in-place mode by default. The default installation directory is c:/Program Files/Java/jre where n is the Java SE minor version number (for example, n = 6 for version 1.6.0_10).
For example, if a user has previously installed JRE 6u10 in the c:/Program Files/Java/jre6 directory, and now attempts to install JRE 6u14, the version 6u14 installer does not create a new directory. Instead, it updates the pre-existing c:/Program Files/Java/jre6 directory with the new 6u14 content. The user is left with the 6u14 JRE only. The 6u10 JRE no longer exists.
Static configuration
When a JRE is installed in the static mode, it will not be updated in place by newer versions. A later version of the same JRE family will be installed in a separate directory. This mode ensures that vendors, who require a specific version of the JRE for their product, can be certain that the JRE will not be overwritten by a newer version.
This seems to indicate that for version 1.6.10 and all subsequent versions, the installation option will exist at each update to automatically replace earlier versions back to and including 1.6.10. This still will leave anything older than 1.6.10 in place, but over time, the uninstalled old-version Java problem that has led a number of users to experience malware penetrations should now start to diminish. 
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I just discovered chachazz  has already noted this over in the Software Forum thread "Help » Java 6.0.40.12" thread (»Re: [Update] Java 6u10). Apparently great minds run in the same direction... chachazz's just runs a bit faster than mine.
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Mele20Premium
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kudos:4 | reply to NICK ADSL UK
Re: Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 Update 10 - October 16, 200 How come update says I have the latest version (ver 6 update 7)? |
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 hayc59Im Your HuckleberryPremium
join:2001-02-26
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kudos:20 | reply to NICK ADSL UK
Thanks Nick  |
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 Grail KnightWho Dares WinsPremium
join:2003-05-31
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kudos:5 | reply to Mele20
You can search this forum but I am willing to bet you will find past posts on java update checker reporting that the user has an up to date version when they do not.
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 MarkAWBarry WhitePremium
join:2001-08-27
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kudos:16 | reply to Mele20
said by Mele20:How come update says I have the latest version (ver 6 update 7)? If you had read the post just above yours you would of seen and i quote;
"For example, if a user has previously installed JRE 6u10 in the c:/Program Files/Java/jre6 directory, and now attempts to install JRE 6u14, the version 6u14 installer does not create a new directory. Instead, it updates the pre-existing c:/Program Files/Java/jre6 directory with the new 6u14 content. The user is left with the 6u14 JRE only. The 6u10 JRE no longer exists."
this will only now happen with this new JRE 6u10, in other words when Java comes out with a new update to this version you can update it with out having to remove the old one first. 
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kudos:4 | I did read that post. But I didn't understand it. And I don't understand your reply. Why is there an INTERNAL updater if it doesn't work? Doesn't the internal updater remove the earlier version? What is the internal updater for? Is it only there to tell you there is a new version available and to tell you to remove the old version (which usually is impossible to do) or what? It says I have the latest version. Supposedly, if I had allowed it it would fetch the new version and install it all silently. So, you have me totally confused.
I only have Java for MySpeed. Otherwise, I would not install it. I used Microsoft JVM until the first of this year. I find SunJava confusing, irritating and worthless (for me) except for certain speed tests. I have never needed any form of Java except for Java speedtests. So, if it is well known that the internal updater doesn't work, I wouldn't know that probably.
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| said by Mele20:I did read that post. But I didn't understand it. And I don't understand your reply. Why is there an INTERNAL updater if it doesn't work? Doesn't the internal updater remove the earlier version? What is the internal updater for? Is it only there to tell you there is a new version available and to tell you to remove the old version (which usually is impossible to do) or what? It says I have the latest version. Supposedly, if I had allowed it it would fetch the new version and install it all silently. So, you have me totally confused. I only have Java for MySpeed. Otherwise, I would not install it. I used Microsoft JVM until the first of this year. I find SunJava confusing, irritating and worthless (for me) except for certain speed tests. I have never needed any form of Java except for Java speedtests. So, if it is well known that the internal updater doesn't work, I wouldn't know that probably. I agree that the install/uninstall stuff with SunJava has always been a mystery.
I have found my own workaround -
a. I don't have updates scheduled to check or download or install automatically [via the java control panel]
b. I donwload the newest version to my computer to install later [offline]
c. ONLY the latest version seems to uninstall the OLDer versions entirely
d. Even with C above I had the cleanest install on the older XP where I completely uninstalled ALL Java versions completely before I did the OFFLINE install.
Just sharing what I've noted thru the years.
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MarkAWBarry WhitePremium
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Over the years people have been complaining that the java internal updater doesn't work which was right it doesn't work, but with this new JRE 6u10 update SunJava the makers of your "confusing, irritating and worthless" as you put it, claim that as of this update java will update via the internal updater and will remove and install any and all updates from now on. Now i hope that was clear enough for you to understand.
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| Just for note: On XP I still had to remove old java versions add-ons from within the Java console set up before it ran corectly using ONLY the new dll's for speed testing for example 
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kudos:4 | reply to MarkAW
Thank you. Now I understand. As I said I used MSJVM all these years with one exception so I wasn't aware that the updater doesn't work but will from ver 6 update 10 on. |
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MarkAWBarry WhitePremium
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kudos:16 | reply to amysheehan
said by amysheehan:Just for note: On XP I still had to remove old java versions add-ons from within the Java console set up before it ran corectly using ONLY the new dll's for speed testing for example I had to do all that as well, but from what i gather that will not be from now on if you have this update installed it will do all of that for you if and when Java does another up date.
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| said by MarkAW:said by amysheehan:Just for note: On XP I still had to remove old java versions add-ons from within the Java console set up before it ran corectly using ONLY the new dll's for speed testing for example I had to do all that as well, but from what i gather that will not be from now on if you have this update installed it will do all of that for you if and when Java does another up date. Side note: Just didn't want everyone thinking that IN GENERAL the new JRE did it for older versions automatically
Until I removed the old add-ons the speed test applet was unable to load and java reported older versions confusing the 2 older versions and reporting them each 3 different times.
Best bet for now - clean up the old unless it's the 9 release before doing 10 and expecting no leftovers
My 9 updated cleanly with Vista - not so with any XP updated with old remnants...
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Mele20Premium
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Thank you Amy for your tips. I will try to follow them now that I understand about the installer.
The only time I used Sun Java in all the years I've had computers (until this year) was one year when I was using 98SE as my host OS. I was unable to fully uninstall previous Sun Java versions and could not get the current one to install. I'll never forget how Eric Howes (I can't recall his handle here) and R2 went to great lengths to help me. It was quite a battle to get those earlier versions removed from my machine. They were partially removed already and that was the problem when trying to remove what was left. After that experience, I just used MSJVM. I was so against Sun Java that when I bought a new computer with XP Pro SP1a on it, and Dell had installed Sun Java, that I was mad at Dell and removed it immediately and installed MSJVM.
So, this new version that supposedly will not allow old versions to partially stick around sounds great. But why all these years before Sun fixed this?
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| said by Mele20:Thank you Amy for your tips. I will try to follow them now that I understand about the installer. The only time I used Sun Java in all the years I've had computers (until this year) was one year when I was using 98SE as my host OS. I was unable to fully uninstall previous Sun Java versions and could not get the current one to install. I'll never forget how Eric Howes (I can't recall his handle here) and R2 went to great lengths to help me. It was quite a battle to get those earlier versions removed from my machine. They were partially removed already and that was the problem when trying to remove what was left. After that experience, I just used MSJVM. I was so against Sun Java that when I bought a new computer with XP Pro SP1a on it, and Dell had installed Sun Java, that I was mad at Dell and removed it immediately and installed MSJVM. So, this new version that supposedly will not allow old versions to partially stick around sounds great. But why all these years before Sun fixed this? Now I've found that in VISTA there were lots of remnants of the older JAVA still on this computer including in ADD/REMOVE so I went and removed all of them and started over offline install.
I now think this new install STILL needs to be done AFTER removing the older versions first in order to be complete.
I am going to try another 2 setups to see what happens as well.
It more and more seems like a NEW install requires an UNINSTALL first of all versions and the NEW install OFFLINE for best results and cleanest install to prevent conflicts.
Ill let you know what I find happens.
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said by MarkAW:said by amysheehan:Just for note: On XP I still had to remove old java versions add-ons from within the Java console set up before it ran corectly using ONLY the new dll's for speed testing for example I had to do all that as well, but from what i gather that will not be from now on if you have this update installed it will do all of that for you if and when Java does another up date. Now I have found some glitches.
SEE: »Re: Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 Update 10 - October 16, 200
Best bet so far - remove all before new install - including folders etc throughout computer referencing JAVA
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