| Filtering wouldn't be an issue except for content thieves The entertainment industry, who wants ISPs and government to protect their failing business models. And why is the business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:And why is the business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable. so the content industries' business model - suing customers, making content less valuable by adding DRM - is failing because of infringers?
who knew this powerful engine of economic growth, so vital to the U.S. economy they need special protection by the U.S. government, is so susceptible to people that simply make digital copies.
maybe they should change their business model. on the other hand, getting the government to prop up your business model is easier, I guess, but it looks like socialism to me. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs: And why is the business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable. And you know this is the reason for their failure because? Got a reliable source for this FUD?
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Except that filters don't work. There are always ways around them or new sites that aren't added. Plus, there is the question of who decides that material should be on a blacklist. If an independent music organization (not pirated music) pops up, could they find their site on the blacklist due to industry pressure? What means would sites have of challenging their listing (both on the "additional material" and "illegal content" blacklists)? Would it be a simple online form/phone call? Or would it be multiple layers of government? Would the list of filtered sites (and reasons for filtering) be made available to third parties so they could double-check the government's listings?
I'm guessing that lists of sites won't be made available, challenging a listing will be nearly impossible, and it is only a matter of time before some corrupt individual takes a bribe to list a site. |
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And who is to blame for these 'failed morals'? Aren't you the one who says 'greed is good'? If you follow your thought process to it's logical conclusion, well, then you are reaping what you have sown!
What is greed? Greed is the desire for something. How does capitalism work? Get the most amount of product for the least amount of money? Put the two together, and voila, you have a culture of piracy. Everyone gets what they want (greed) at the lost cost possible (free). If that's not the definition of piracy, I don't know what is.
So, your all your preaching has paid off! You have a generation of kids who think that GREED IS GOOD! Nice going there.
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said by Jason Levine:Except that filters don't work. There are always ways around them or new sites that aren't added. Plus, there is the question of who decides that material should be on a blacklist. And there's the heart of the matter. I'm sure most people have no problem with the concept of blocking illegal material. The problem is that there's no reliable way to do that. Add to that the potential for blocking technology to become a political tool and it's better to just leave the internet alone and go after the perps when they do something illegal.
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You're wrong there. We have a whole new crop of youths following Karl Marx's jealously plan now aka socialism/communism. Someone has something you want so take it. Its not greed, its jealously. We even have a presidential candidate whos preaching this line of garbage. Greed is keeping what you own. Thats not the problem. Theft is all about jealously and feeling that you have the right to take what you want from someone because you want it. |
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don't forget about producing content that isn't worth shelling out ~$20 for a few good songs, ~$8 (ignoring the overpriced food and drink) to see a movie, ~$20 for a disc that has the possibility not being compatible with the player or not allowing playback on a ~$1000 TV.
i think the entertainment industry is doing just fine. they charge a fortune for seats at sport games, sport stars and movie stars (along with the executives) are making millions while contributing partically NOTHING of real value (like say developments in science, engineering, physics, medical technology, saving lives at the hospital, just to name a very small selection) to society. I'll never shed a tear if something bad happens to sport star or a movie star. |
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said by fAcEtIOUs:And why is the [entertainment industry] business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable.
Not exactly. It's mainly because the cost of a digital copy is essentially zero, while the copyright-exploitation industry is based on keeping copies scarce.
Other factors include:
- Excessive duration of copyright
- Copyright holders keeping works off the market, despite demand, leaving piracy as the only way for the public to obtain copies of popular culture items.
- Malware (DRM) in legal digital products.
- Asking prices above the free-market prices, propped up by artificial-monopoly laws, which always produces a black market in any industry.
- Increasing public awareness that a majority percentage of the price of a video, music recording or software goes to exploitive middle-men and only a small percentage to the creative people who create the cultural works.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:The entertainment industry, who wants ISPs and government to protect their failing business models. And why is the business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable. Yep it has nothing to do with their reluctance or refusal to change with the times.
Piracy is only a piece of it TK, you should know better than to say otherwise.
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Hey TK junk mail
aren't you one of those McCain/Palin supporters who are always calling all of Obama's policies Socialist???
isn't the government getting involved in this situation to protect the failing outdated business model of the RIAA/MPAA??
That is socialism, there fore if you support this, you are a hypocrite by your own definition. |
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said by footballdude: I'm sure most people have no problem with the concept of blocking illegal material. Speak for yourself. And, exactly who gets to determine what is "legal" vs "illegal." Many users on this site alone still believe, quite erroneously, that everything available for download is illegal. Thanks, but as an adult, I don't need a nanny watching over my shoulder to protect me from myself. Maybe you enjoy that sort of thing, but personally, I do not. |
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The movie/TV industry is not failing despite widespread personal copying, they're just crying to Uncle. They do plenty well with their current distribution model.
The music industry is failing however, and has been going backward for over 10 years now, but it's not due to copying (which always happened), it's because of competition for entertainment dollars from the superior value of movies, and a deteriorating product due to their desire to make their own mass-produced crap they can control completely, rather than encourage truly creative artists whom they then have to pay.
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Morals....HA HA HA HA HA |
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said by footballdude:And there's the heart of the matter. I'm sure most people have no problem with the concept of blocking illegal material. The problem is that there's no reliable way to do that. Add to that the potential for blocking technology to become a political tool and it's better to just leave the internet alone and go after the perps when they do something illegal. The term "illegal material" is already a political tool. |
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a copyright doesnt deserve respect after 25 years from it's creation. because that is how long a copyright should last. and dead people's material should never last 75 years after they die, a corpse doesnt need money and their estate should get a fscking job.
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said by fAcEtIOUs:The entertainment industry, who wants ISPs and government to protect their failing business models. And why is the business model failing? Because there are too many people with no morals and think stealing a service is acceptable. Morals are the final frontier of fascism and communism. |
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