ccbadd
join:2005-07-03
Corpus Christi, TX | reply to bufbandit
Re: Idiots... said by bufbandit:How is that anti-competitive? Burger King can do the same thing if they wanted too. Most cable companies have a virtual monopoly. Luckily I have two providers so there is real competition. There is no Burger King to go against there McDees. In this case, your arguments have no basis. |
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| Virtual monopoly? That makes no sense. Direct TV, FIOS, Dish networks all seem like legit competition to TWC. Not sure what you mean by a virtual monopoly is. |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals. |
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| My buddy bought a direct TV DVR for $300. If it breaks he needs to pay for a new one. If he terms the service he needs to give the box back. That sounds like a steal. Buy a box and have to give it back or pay to have it replaced. Who is ripping who off? |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Yeah, and you're buddy doesn't have to fork over $200/yr for each shitty DVR either. I pay for DirecTV's inside maintenance plan, they warrant ALL equipment and I still save $20/mo on the two two-tuner MPEG4 HD DVR's that I have. Plus I get 130 HD channels, VOD and superior service. Meanwhile if I had an inside wiring problem with TWC or Verizon, I get slammed big bucks for the truck roll. |
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1 edit | Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. |
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 mech1164I'll Be Back
join:2001-11-19
Lodi, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
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said by bufbandit:Virtual monopoly? That makes no sense. Direct TV, FIOS, Dish networks all seem like legit competition to TWC. Not sure what you mean by a virtual monopoly is. I well I'm one without a choice. I'm stuck with cablevision. Fios is available but not in my development. There are no apt installs yet or planned for in the next few years. Dish or Dtv is forbidden on the development. And before you all start qouting regulations we do not have any place to attach a dish. So for the foreseeable future I'm at the mercy of CV. |
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I have to pay 19 for each DVR with Cox cable, that's 228 - maybe you need to open your MIND before opening your MOUTH. |
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1 edit | Im speaking about TWC not Cox. Cant speak for a company I have not dealt with directly, sorry. You can always buy a $10 VCR. Lots of other options out there. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
2 edits | reply to bufbandit
DVR lease fee doesn't include the DVR service which is another $10 for a total of $16/mo X 12 months. When I had TWC before DirecTV I paid $6.95 per box for rental plus $10 PER BOX in DVR "service" fees. Each DVR was $17/mo total with TWC and if an issue wasn't an outside problem TWC did charge for truck rolls.
It looks like you are the one needing a math refresher. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
1 edit | reply to bufbandit
said by bufbandit:Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. Actually Time Warner in my area (Queens, NY)charges
$7.10 for ANY box rental
$9.95 for DVR service (on top of the $7.10)
$2.99 for service duplication (for each additional box)
$0.25 for the remote control
So for one year the DVR costs $243.48
They also DO charge $30.30 for a truck roll. They will allow you to pick a box up at a store for free, but WON'T allow you to pick up a cable card, that requires the $30 truck roll. |
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 ·DSL EXTREME
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I wont quote regulations but will offer a suggestion if you have it available. Do you have a patio or balcony at your place that faces south? You dont need to attach the dish to anything, when I was in an apartment I used a metal fence post, 5 gallon bucket and a bag of quikrete to make a mount for my Directv dish. You could do the same if you face the right way to get a signal, again, just a suggestion. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Dogfather
said by Dogfather:This isn't about a video monopoly, this is about hardware and cable operators abusing their market position to fleece customers with horrid overpriced hardware rentals. ... all while Tivo fleece customers with horrid over priced guide subscription fees to which they also sell their ads.
Are you kidding me?
This can be, and should be, just as much about Tivo and their strangle hold on people for the DVR anyway. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
 ·T-Mobile US
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said by bufbandit:Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. You forgot the "DVR fee," champ.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Cogdis
Let's also continue the math.
Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX)
Tivo - Service:
Monthly - $12.95
Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo)
3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo)
So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service:
$62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range)
(aka - $755.39 for the first year)
$35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range)
(aka - $429.00 for the first year)
This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service.
I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me.
The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | Tivo also has an unpublished Lifetime subscription available to different people for different prices. My second lifetime subscription was just $200 (on top of the $300 I had to pay for the Tivo HD). So with TWC I come out ahead after 2 years. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·T-Mobile US
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said by fiberguy:Let's also continue the math. Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX) Tivo - Service: Monthly - $12.95 Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo) 3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo) So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service: $62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range) (aka - $755.39 for the first year) $35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range) (aka - $429.00 for the first year) This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service. I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me. The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. Or you could buy a refurb for $99 (or a new one for $199) and pay $400 for lifetime service and never pay another dime. (at least for a few years until the box breaks)
You could at least get the pricing right if you're going to attempt to say TiVo is more expensive than a cable company box.
Like most things that don't come from a cable company, you have the option of buying it from the manufacturer and paying too much or buying it from someone who sells it for a reasonable price and paying less. It's called competition. Isn't it grand?
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·T-Mobile US
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said by fiberguy:You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. Oh, so you admit to being disingenuous and only amortizing the purchase price of the box over 1 year? Wow.
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It's wierdo, not weirdo. Yes, I know that's not the 'proper' spelling of the similar english language word. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
1 edit | Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service?
If you'd rather, I'd be more than happy to go off topic like 90% of BBR users here and go off on a tangent that means nothing.. I could certainly continue talking about the ongoing fees of Tivo service, combined with the hardware and I bet about 4 years down the road, probably the life of the hardware, it's really still the same price.
Really.. try harder next time. 
If you'd like me to put words in YOUR mouth incorrectly, what you're really saying is that you're a poster child of Bush's no child left behind policy... and how it doesn't work. |
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