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Re: Idiots... My buddy bought a direct TV DVR for $300. If it breaks he needs to pay for a new one. If he terms the service he needs to give the box back. That sounds like a steal. Buy a box and have to give it back or pay to have it replaced. Who is ripping who off? |
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 DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | Yeah, and you're buddy doesn't have to fork over $200/yr for each shitty DVR either. I pay for DirecTV's inside maintenance plan, they warrant ALL equipment and I still save $20/mo on the two two-tuner MPEG4 HD DVR's that I have. Plus I get 130 HD channels, VOD and superior service. Meanwhile if I had an inside wiring problem with TWC or Verizon, I get slammed big bucks for the truck roll. |
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1 edit | Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. |
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| I have to pay 19 for each DVR with Cox cable, that's 228 - maybe you need to open your MIND before opening your MOUTH. |
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1 edit | Im speaking about TWC not Cox. Cant speak for a company I have not dealt with directly, sorry. You can always buy a $10 VCR. Lots of other options out there. |
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DogfatherPremium
join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA
2 edits | reply to bufbandit
DVR lease fee doesn't include the DVR service which is another $10 for a total of $16/mo X 12 months. When I had TWC before DirecTV I paid $6.95 per box for rental plus $10 PER BOX in DVR "service" fees. Each DVR was $17/mo total with TWC and if an issue wasn't an outside problem TWC did charge for truck rolls.
It looks like you are the one needing a math refresher. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY
1 edit | reply to bufbandit
said by bufbandit:Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. Actually Time Warner in my area (Queens, NY)charges
$7.10 for ANY box rental
$9.95 for DVR service (on top of the $7.10)
$2.99 for service duplication (for each additional box)
$0.25 for the remote control
So for one year the DVR costs $243.48
They also DO charge $30.30 for a truck roll. They will allow you to pick a box up at a store for free, but WON'T allow you to pick up a cable card, that requires the $30 truck roll. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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said by bufbandit:Wow $200 a year for a shitty DVR. The lease fees are usually $5-$7 a month. I guess your math skills are not that sharp. Last I checked TWC does not charge for truck rolls. Verizon does but TWC does not. You forgot the "DVR fee," champ.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to Cogdis
Let's also continue the math.
Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX)
Tivo - Service:
Monthly - $12.95
Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo)
3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo)
So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service:
$62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range)
(aka - $755.39 for the first year)
$35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range)
(aka - $429.00 for the first year)
This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service.
I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me.
The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | Tivo also has an unpublished Lifetime subscription available to different people for different prices. My second lifetime subscription was just $200 (on top of the $300 I had to pay for the Tivo HD). So with TWC I come out ahead after 2 years. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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said by fiberguy:Let's also continue the math. Tivo - $300 - $600 to purchase the box (HD BOX) Tivo - Service: Monthly - $12.95 Annual - $129.00 (10.75 mo) 3 Year - $299.00 (8.31 mo) So, the price range of a Tivo box for one year service: $62.95 per month (Most expensive options on the high range) (aka - $755.39 for the first year) $35.75 per month (Least expensive options on the low range) (aka - $429.00 for the first year) This is I guess what you pay for that alleged "premium, non-shitty" DVR service. I could care less about a guide. Most foremost, I want to call up a show and make it play. When the show is recorded and the show is playing, the guide means nothing to me. The question that most people ask themselves is usually "how much to watch a show I've recorded".. and the answer shouldn't be anything more than the cost of the DVR itself. Companies like Microsoft have already proven that guide data is not expensive... in fact, it's free. Or you could buy a refurb for $99 (or a new one for $199) and pay $400 for lifetime service and never pay another dime. (at least for a few years until the box breaks)
You could at least get the pricing right if you're going to attempt to say TiVo is more expensive than a cable company box.
Like most things that don't come from a cable company, you have the option of buying it from the manufacturer and paying too much or buying it from someone who sells it for a reasonable price and paying less. It's called competition. Isn't it grand?
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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said by fiberguy:You're correct. I purposely left out the lifetime subscription for my math however, even knowing it would make my numbers higher. I left it out because I wanted to to compare just 12 months of service in this case. Oh, so you admit to being disingenuous and only amortizing the purchase price of the box over 1 year? Wow.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
1 edit | Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service?
If you'd rather, I'd be more than happy to go off topic like 90% of BBR users here and go off on a tangent that means nothing.. I could certainly continue talking about the ongoing fees of Tivo service, combined with the hardware and I bet about 4 years down the road, probably the life of the hardware, it's really still the same price.
Really.. try harder next time. 
If you'd like me to put words in YOUR mouth incorrectly, what you're really saying is that you're a poster child of Bush's no child left behind policy... and how it doesn't work. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to wierdo
Since the DVR in question is an HD version, not SD, I'll ignore the price of the SD version of Tivo.
Also, if you want to talk about the Tivo lasting a "few years" then anyone that understands math and LTCO would take the life time of the box fee of $400 divided by the life of the box to get the monthly, the cost of the box itself, divide by total months you have it and there is your monthly fee.
I'm pretty confident in my pricing since I just looked it up on the Tivo site to get my numbers.. Or, does that not meet your needs? I really doubt it does because you're sitting here comparing a completely non-comparable box to make your numbers look better.
Isn't honesty and reality in facts fun? |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·Cox HSI
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | said by fiberguy:Since the DVR in question is an HD version, not SD, I'll ignore the price of the SD version of Tivo. Also, if you want to talk about the Tivo lasting a "few years" then anyone that understands math and LTCO would take the life time of the box fee of $400 divided by the life of the box to get the monthly, the cost of the box itself, divide by total months you have it and there is your monthly fee. I'm pretty confident in my pricing since I just looked it up on the Tivo site to get my numbers.. Or, does that not meet your needs? I really doubt it does because you're sitting here comparing a completely non-comparable box to make your numbers look better. Isn't honesty and reality in facts fun? Yes, you can get THD refurbs for $99.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3
2 edits | Try $179.99! And the DVR has to accept a cable card to be a valid argument here.. I guess that doesn't matter to you.
»www3.tivo.com/store/webspecials.do
When comparing prices, I'm not going to go digging through bargain basements for the absolute best prices.. I'm talking about tivo. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
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1 edit | reply to fiberguy
said by fiberguy:Um... isn't the conversation about 1 year of service? It became that when you decided one year was an appropriate amortization period for hardware that usually lasts 3 or more years. I called you out on it.
As far as the initial purchase price, one can get TiVo HD refurbs for $99 from time to time. (they are $179 at the moment, though) You can get brand new ones for $199.
Thankfully, NCLB was long after I was out of school.
Edited to add: And FWIW, a refurb TiVo is actually a pretty good comparison to what you get from the cable company, since you often, or even usually, get a box somebody else had before.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | If you will kindly look up in the the OPs were all talking about a 1 year cost of a box.. I joined into that, so I can certainly see how I decided to one year was appropriate. So, to return the favor, I'm going to call YOU on the fact that not one, but twice you've been corrected.
Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation.
If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid?
The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider.
Your non-cable card Tivo comparison, used even, is stretching a point way too far that it's broken so bad it can't be repaired.
Try looking up a Tivo Series 3.. and "time to time" in any valid comparison, for any comparison, is NOT a VALID COMPARISON. As a deal hunter, sure.. but when you are comparing two items you take the average. Finding a refurbish from time to time is not average. I could go further and say that I can probably buy a cheap used on on ebay from time to time where no one else saw it and use that as a comparison - because I've actually done that before.
You can reply if you want, but I'm done on this one. |
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wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
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| said by fiberguy:Also, the box you're talking about now is not even a cable card box which isn't a valid comparison to the conversation. If you're going to start throwing out daggers and bring up comparisons, can you at least bring up some that are valid? The MAIN topic is about cable card Tivo services that are being knocked off. This sub thread is about a Tivo, on topic, and one year of a service with a cable provider. I'm talking about CableCARD boxes. What part of that don't you get. Right now, a refurb is available for $179.99. They are sometimes available for $99.99. TiVo always has refurbs available, the only question is at what price they feel like selling it. Brand new, they are available for as low as $199.99, depending on the retailer. That's certainly a valid comparison. It doesn't depend on an eBay deal or anything else, just ordering online.
Looking at the entirety of this thread, I fail to see where anybody but you mentioned 1 year, perhaps you can point me to the specific post. (I have been known to have situational blindness on occasion)
A THD is every bit as valid a comparison as an S3. They're essentially the same box. I know, I have both. I bought an S3 about 19 months ago when my apartment complex switched from DirecTV (which I was using a DirecTiVo with) to cable. I tried the Cox box for a month. It dropped too many recordings and incessantly recorded repeats even when told not to, so I bought something better (for $650).
Around Christmas, when Circuit City had the THD on sale for $249.99, I picked up one of those for the bedroom. They both use CableCARDs. I have no idea where you got the idea I wasn't talking about CableCARD-using TiVos. You seem to have made that up.
That's one of the nice things about not buying the cable company's box. Competition between retailers gets the consumer a lower price on the hardware. If only replay hadn't been run out of business, TiVo might have found the r&d dollars to further reduce the manufacturing cost of their box.
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