Money for this will be hard to get Page 2

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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK	reply to bent Re: Money for this will be hard to get It was shady. DOS was CP/M with very minor modifications.
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quarkmachine join:2003-02-12 Derby, KS	reply to bent said by bent : said by TKJunkMail : Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year... Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. Tax and spend, or borrow and spend. Take your pick. Wrongo Bongo... I guess the more it's proclaimed the truer it gets... »www.letxa.com/articles/16
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tschmidt Premium,MVM join:2000-11-12 Milford, NH ·Hollis Hosting ·Verizon Online DSL ·Fairpoint Communic..	reply to TKJunkMail said by TKJunkMail : Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year, I wouldn't bet on the Congress approving this initiative any time soon. Normally during a recession conventional wisdom (which I agree) is to have government run deficits to pump money into the economy to help jump start it. When times are good you get your economic house in order to get ready for the next rainy day. Not to get too political but this administration has done such a horrendous economic job that will be difficult. At some point creditors become leery of loaning us money. Even countries can only live beyond their means for so long. One of my frustrations during the presidential debates was neither candidate addressed how spending $700B on bale-out, reduction in tax revenue due to recession, and war spending, would affect budget. Net-Neutrality policy is independent of broadband policy. Net-Neutrality is not the the expensive part, that is building First-Mile access network. We need to put the cost into perspective. Costs about $2,000 per household to deliver FTTP. There are about 110 million households in the US so we are talking about $200-300 Billion to wire up the nation. That is a lot of money but if we had not squandered so much recently it is certainly doable. I'd argue in the near term there are higher priority tasks. /tom
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to bent said by bent : I'm not sure what you're implying by your list of Googles competition, but I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. On that note, do you think Linus Torvalds, Dr. Andrew Tannenbaum, Richard Stallman and the numerous other individuals who wrote open source software that mimicked the operation of commercially available software should be labeled as software pirates? -- "At the moment of conception."
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	I think there's a difference between "borrowing" good ideas that work and outright theft of code. I mean c'mon... they didn't even bother to change the A:\> prompt. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·T-Mobile US	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : said by bent : Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. True. I figured that once Hillary Clinton became president, we could go back to the good old days of the 1990s, right? Oh, wait a minute. It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it? said by bent : This the technological direction of this country needs to be more Google-like and less M$-like. How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders. Except that in the past ~5 years Google's stock waaay overperformed MSFT while maintained its positive approach unlike M$ - evil doesn't really pay after all? -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE]
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to quarkmachine Interesting article. Even taken at face value, the total debt only increased by 1.4T during the Clinton administration, while increasing (so far) by 3.72T during the Bush administration. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to bent said by bent : I think there's a difference between "borrowing" good ideas that work and outright theft of code. But again, simply recoding someone else's idea is not the same as stealing their code. There's a million different ways to write a "Hello, world!" program and if a million people wrote said program in a unique way they might be borrowing one another's good ideas but they are not stealing each other's code. said by bent : I mean c'mon... they didn't even bother to change the A:\> prompt. If you really want to be that detailed you could say the same thing about Minix and Linux. They use the same prompt style as the old commercial Unix did prior to AT&T's liberating it in the 1990s. -- "At the moment of conception."
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to kamm said by kamm : It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it? Oh I agree totally. We've wasted $8 trillion and counting on the War on Poverty since the 1960s. If we stopped that today, we'd be in the black overnight. -- "At the moment of conception."
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	said by pnh102 : said by kamm : It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it? Oh I agree totally. We've wasted $8 trillion and counting on the War on Poverty since the 1960s. If we stopped that today, we'd be in the black overnight. Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by bent : Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare. Over half of all federal spending is for social programs and welfare. So yes, cutting that would save a ton of money. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fy20···gory.png -- "At the moment of conception."
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable 2 edits	reply to bent Re: Money for this will be hard to get said by bent : ...I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. Of Course Not. They ripped off several different search engines and presented Google as their own creation. said by bent : This is the sort of thing I associate with Google: "After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders...blah, blah, blah... requested that their base salary be ...blah, blah, blah... primarily because, "their primary compensation continues... blah, blah, blah... As significant stockholders, their personal wealth ...blah, blah, blah... stock price appreciation and performance, ...blah, blah, blah... US$250,000 per year,...blah" Ah, yes. Hmmmm. said by bent : Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that? Well these guys seem to belong to that crowd. Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld Jr. $34 million in 2007 Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein $70 million last year. Co-Chief Operating Officers Gary Cohn and Jon Winkereid were paid $72.5 million and $71 million, respectively. Bears Sterns former chair Jimmy Cayne received $60 million AIG chief executive Martin Sullivan got $14 million compensation package. Robert Willumstad received $7 million for three months. Morgan Stanley Chair John Mack earned $1.6 million + stock. CFO Colin Kelleher got a $21 million paycheck in 2007. Countrywide Financial's CEO Angelo Mozilo's total take is over $400 million. Merrill Lynch's Stanley Neal, was given a package of $160 Million. Fannie Mae's CEO Daniel Mudd received $11.6 million in 2007. Freddie Mac's CEO Richard Syron, brought in $18 million. Wachovia Corp. CEO G. Kennedy Thompson received $21 million in 2007. Washington Mutual's CEO Alan Fishman gets a salary and incentive package worth more than $20 million through 2009. Since Testicles and brains seem to be the true measure of a man, these guys got 'em in spades. There aren't enough trophies to go around. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·T-Mobile US 1 edit	reply to pnh102 said by pnh102 : said by bent : Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare. Over half of all federal spending is for social programs and welfare. So yes, cutting that would save a ton of money. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fy20···gory.png So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? -- said by bicker : Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by kamm : So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? Yes. -- "At the moment of conception."
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·T-Mobile US	said by pnh102 : said by kamm : So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? Yes. Bingo! Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country. As your fav FauxNoise would ask you: why don't you move somewhere else? Oh wait, there's no country more to the right, with even harsher right-wing nutcase agenda like this... -- [BQUOTE=[user=bicker]]Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them. [/BQUOTE]
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	said by kamm : Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country. I see. So tell me how wanting to cut social spending makes me anti-American? Did I miss the delegated power listed in the Constitution that specifically authorizes social spending? -- "At the moment of conception."
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SRFireside join:2001-01-19 Houston, TX	The problem is much of that social spending isn't just Joe-Trailerpark getting his welfare check so he doesn't have to get a job. Yes there are lots of programs we can probably do without, but if you are assessing that half the federal budget can be regained by cutting all social spending you are in for a shocker. Businesses (small and large), education, health care (both public and private), community programs, and more would all be affected by those cuts. Do you think the people who support such a drastic overhaul would still be in office next term after alienating support to a lot of worthwhile projects? Remember the preamble also states the government is to promote the general welfare.
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TechieZero Tools Are Using Me Premium join:2002-01-25 Wesley Chapel, FL	reply to bent said by bent : Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. And he did it by *reducing* taxes... -- McCain/Palin '08!
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly .. 1 edit	reply to Noah Vail I think you inadvertently made my point for me. The douchebags you listed are execs who did the opposite of what Googles did. Now list for us the execs who received $0 in 2007... In order to insert all those "blahs" you must have read and understood, no? edit for typo -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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