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said by bent  :Ronnie and Arnie? They're two guys from the Right who actually were leaders of a state with an economy larger than most countries.
When they were actors, I can't remember a time that they counseled us and the rest of the world on how to conduct the aforementioned affairs.
While they were actors, they - acted. Like my plumber, my dentist, and others who've chosen to serve us; they didn't feel compelled instruct me, 6 billion others and their leaders on how to manage the most complex issues of our time.
Somehow, Ronnie and Arnie, just knew that acting and pretending weren't the same thing.
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said by bent :I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own. Nearly every A-list actor I can think of, has offered me direction in geo-climate, socioeconomic or global-financial events. They believe that the industry of entertainment has prepared them sufficiently to decide how the world powers should handle these things.
Can you come up with a counterpart on the Right,
where so many from one arena,
consistently offer expertise
on matters that are so wholly out of their field?
Because I'm afraid that I can't come up with one.
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said by Noah Vail :I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment. I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own.
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Noah Vail
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Ya know, now that we're at the end of this;
I'd like to say that I LIKE Google.
I have a gmail account, and I have turned hundreds of home pages from yahoo! or MSN to Google. Most have stayed.
I like Google because they bring me a superior product. Their search engine and it's careful attention to operators is second to none. I rarely find what I want on their first page; 20-40 is more likely. No one else yields the results I need at all.
I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment. But they've been quiet of late and continue to bring me the finest web apps anywhere.
I do admire how they (and nearly they alone) have figured out that a cluttered startpage serves no good whatsoever.
In this, they employ wisdom.
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said by bent :I guess you're of the opinion that it's better to be to a nutless idiot? You can guess that, if that's what you want. I've offered no opinion on the matter.
said by bent :I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire. And I offered other men who have those qualities you admire.
said by bent :That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms. It IS curious why you would choose qualities that align Google with the very folks you are trying to separate them from.
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I guess you're of the opinion that it's better to be to a nutless idiot?
I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire. That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms.
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said by bent :Company? How do you figure? I'm having trouble drawing any parallels between those guys and their companies and the Google execs I mentioned and their company. Clue me in? You gave testicles and brains (in that order) as the qualifiers for great leaders of companies.
I gave other examples of men with the same, 'gifts' and the wealth those 'gifts' earned for them.
That would be the parallel.
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Company? How do you figure? I'm having trouble drawing any parallels between those guys and their companies and the Google execs I mentioned and their company. Clue me in?
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said by bent :Haw! Where's... balls... suckering... board... giving... millions... of... performance... testicular... comes... to... tying... remuneration... to... failure... success... your company. Ah.
I thought you might want to alter your conclusion a bit,
once it was revealed
the company it kept.
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Haw! Where's the balls in suckering a board into giving you millions regardless of your performance? The testicular capacity comes in to play tying your remuneration solely to the failure or success of your company.
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Actually, I believe your criteria for most excellent CEO dude were
said by bent :Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. Of which the aforementioned financial wizards, are fully possessed.
Perhaps, upon reflection, you have revised criteria for most excellent CEO dude?
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I think you inadvertently made my point for me. The douchebags you listed are execs who did the opposite of what Googles did. Now list for us the execs who received $0 in 2007...
In order to insert all those "blahs" you must have read and understood, no?
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The problem is much of that social spending isn't just Joe-Trailerpark getting his welfare check so he doesn't have to get a job. Yes there are lots of programs we can probably do without, but if you are assessing that half the federal budget can be regained by cutting all social spending you are in for a shocker.
Businesses (small and large), education, health care (both public and private), community programs, and more would all be affected by those cuts. Do you think the people who support such a drastic overhaul would still be in office next term after alienating support to a lot of worthwhile projects? Remember the preamble also states the government is to promote the general welfare. |
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said by kamm :Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country. I see. So tell me how wanting to cut social spending makes me anti-American? Did I miss the delegated power listed in the Constitution that specifically authorizes social spending?
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said by pnh102 :said by kamm :So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? Yes. Bingo!
Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country.
As your fav FauxNoise would ask you: why don't you move somewhere else?
Oh wait, there's no country more to the right, with even harsher right-wing nutcase agenda like this...
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said by kamm :So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? Yes.
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said by pnh102 :said by bent :Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare. Over half of all federal spending is for social programs and welfare. So yes, cutting that would save a ton of money. » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fy20···gory.png So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME?
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said by bent :...I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. Of Course Not.
They ripped off several different search engines and presented Google as their own creation.
said by bent :This is the sort of thing I associate with Google: " After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders...blah, blah, blah... requested that their base salary be ...blah, blah, blah... primarily because, "their primary compensation continues... blah, blah, blah... As significant stockholders, their personal wealth ...blah, blah, blah... stock price appreciation and performance, ...blah, blah, blah... US$250,000 per year,...blah" Ah, yes. Hmmmm.
said by bent :Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that? Well these guys seem to belong to that crowd.
Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld Jr. $34 million in 2007
Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein $70 million last year. Co-Chief Operating Officers Gary Cohn and Jon Winkereid were paid $72.5 million and $71 million, respectively.
Bears Sterns former chair Jimmy Cayne received $60 million
AIG chief executive Martin Sullivan got $14 million compensation package.
Robert Willumstad received $7 million for three months.
Morgan Stanley Chair John Mack earned $1.6 million + stock. CFO Colin Kelleher got a $21 million paycheck in 2007.
Countrywide Financial's CEO Angelo Mozilo's total take is over $400 million.
Merrill Lynch's Stanley Neal, was given a package of $160 Million.
Fannie Mae's CEO Daniel Mudd received $11.6 million in 2007.
Freddie Mac's CEO Richard Syron, brought in $18 million.
Wachovia Corp. CEO G. Kennedy Thompson received $21 million in 2007.
Washington Mutual's CEO Alan Fishman gets a salary and incentive package worth more than $20 million through 2009.
Since Testicles and brains seem to be the true measure of a man, these guys got 'em in spades.
There aren't enough trophies to go around.
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