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Topic 'Re: Money for this will be hard to get' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21298706 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:57:08 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 13:57:08 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21323018 said by bent:

Ronnie and Arnie?They're two guys from the Right who actually were leaders of a state with an economy larger than most countries.

When they were actors, I can't remember a time that they counseled us and the rest of the world on how to conduct the aforementioned affairs.

While they were actors, they - acted. Like my plumber, my dentist, and others who've chosen to serve us; they didn't feel compelled instruct me, 6 billion others and their leaders on how to manage the most complex issues of our time.

Somehow, Ronnie and Arnie, just knew that acting and pretending weren't the same thing.

NV
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I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own.Nearly every A-list actor I can think of, has offered me direction in geo-climate, socioeconomic or global-financial events. They believe that the industry of entertainment has prepared them sufficiently to decide how the world powers should handle these things.

Can you come up with a counterpart on the Right,
where so many from one arena,
consistently offer expertise
on matters that are so wholly out of their field?

Because I'm afraid that I can't come up with one.

NV
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I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment.I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own.
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21317796 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 01:55:29 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21317468 I'd like to say that I LIKE Google.
I have a gmail account, and I have turned hundreds of home pages from yahoo! or MSN to Google. Most have stayed.

I like Google because they bring me a superior product. Their search engine and it's careful attention to operators is second to none. I rarely find what I want on their first page; 20-40 is more likely. No one else yields the results I need at all.

I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment. But they've been quiet of late and continue to bring me the finest web apps anywhere.

I do admire how they (and nearly they alone) have figured out that a cluttered startpage serves no good whatsoever.
In this, they employ wisdom.

NV
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Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21317468 Fri, 24 Oct 2008 00:06:00 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21316484 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21316484 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:24:19 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21315788 said by bent:

I guess you're of the opinion that it's better to be to a nutless idiot?You can guess that, if that's what you want. I've offered no opinion on the matter.

said by bent:

I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire.

And I offered other men who have those qualities you admire.

said by bent:

That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms.

It IS curious why you would choose qualities that align Google with the very folks you are trying to separate them from.

NV
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I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire. That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms.
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21315740 Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:01:42 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21315514 said by bent:

Company? How do you figure? I'm having trouble drawing any parallels between those guys and their companies and the Google execs I mentioned and their company. Clue me in? You gave testicles and brains (in that order) as the qualifiers for great leaders of companies.

I gave other examples of men with the same, 'gifts' and the wealth those 'gifts' earned for them.

That would be the parallel.

NV
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Haw! Where's... balls... suckering... board... giving... millions... of... performance... testicular... comes... to... tying... remuneration... to... failure... success... your company.Ah.
I thought you might want to alter your conclusion a bit,
once it was revealed
the company it kept.

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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21309886 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:04:41 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21309755 most excellent CEO dude were

said by bent:

Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up.

Of which the aforementioned financial wizards, are fully possessed.

Perhaps, upon reflection, you have revised criteria for most excellent CEO dude?

NV
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Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21309755 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:40:23 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21308536 opposite of what Googles did. Now list for us the execs who received $0 in 2007...

In order to insert all those "blahs" you must have read and understood, no?

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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21308536 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:28:11 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307515 said by bent:

Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. And he did it by ***reducing*** taxes...
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Businesses (small and large), education, health care (both public and private), community programs, and more would all be affected by those cuts. Do you think the people who support such a drastic overhaul would still be in office next term after alienating support to a lot of worthwhile projects? Remember the preamble also states the government is to promote the general welfare. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307204 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 09:28:48 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307113 said by kamm:

Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country.I see. So tell me how wanting to cut social spending makes me anti-American? Did I miss the delegated power listed in the Constitution that specifically authorizes social spending?
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said by kamm:

So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME?

Yes.
Bingo!
Thanks for confirming that you are 100% ANTI-AMERICAN, an enemy of the people and country.
As your fav FauxNoise would ask you: why don't you move somewhere else?

Oh wait, there's no country more to the right, with even harsher right-wing nutcase agenda like this...
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[/BQUOTE]]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307096 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:58:48 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307085 said by kamm:

So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME? Yes.
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said by bent:

Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare.

Over half of all federal spending is for social programs and welfare. So yes, cutting that would save a ton of money.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fy20···gory.png
So you're [proposing that instead of stopping fighting and killing Arabs overseas who didn't do anything against us we rather stop social services and let the middle class go down to sheer poverty and the poor die here, at HOME?

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said by bicker:

Waaaa waaaa waaaa. You just want what you want and don't care to factor in what is right or true. Your perspectives are un-American, and deserve far more ridicule than I'm prepared to pile on them.

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21307072 Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:49:56 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21305547 said by bent:

...I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own.Of Course Not.
They ripped off several different search engines and presented Google as their own creation.

said by bent:

This is the sort of thing I associate with Google:

"After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders...blah, blah, blah... requested that their base salary be ...blah, blah, blah... primarily because, "their primary compensation continues... blah, blah, blah... As significant stockholders, their personal wealth ...blah, blah, blah... stock price appreciation and performance, ...blah, blah, blah... US$250,000 per year,...blah"

Ah, yes. Hmmmm.

said by bent:

Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that?

Well these guys seem to belong to that crowd.

Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld Jr. $34 million in 2007

Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein $70 million last year. Co-Chief Operating Officers Gary Cohn and Jon Winkereid were paid $72.5 million and $71 million, respectively.

Bears Sterns former chair Jimmy Cayne received $60 million

AIG chief executive Martin Sullivan got $14 million compensation package.
Robert Willumstad received $7 million for three months.

Morgan Stanley Chair John Mack earned $1.6 million + stock. CFO Colin Kelleher got a $21 million paycheck in 2007.

Countrywide Financial's CEO Angelo Mozilo's total take is over $400 million.

Merrill Lynch's Stanley Neal, was given a package of $160 Million.

Fannie Mae's CEO Daniel Mudd received $11.6 million in 2007.
Freddie Mac's CEO Richard Syron, brought in $18 million.

Wachovia Corp. CEO G. Kennedy Thompson received $21 million in 2007.

Washington Mutual's CEO Alan Fishman gets a salary and incentive package worth more than $20 million through 2009.

Since Testicles and brains seem to be the true measure of a man, these guys got 'em in spades.

There aren't enough trophies to go around.

NV
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Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare. Over half of all federal spending is for social programs and welfare. So yes, cutting that would save a ton of money.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fy20···gory.png
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"At the moment of conception."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302820 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:39:30 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302747 said by pnh102:

said by kamm:

It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it?

Oh I agree totally. We've wasted $8 trillion and counting on the War on Poverty since the 1960s. If we stopped that today, we'd be in the black overnight.
Do you have any idea what portion of the federal budget is spent on social programs? I'd be a little more worried about warfare than welfare.
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302747 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:29:44 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302582 said by kamm:

It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it?Oh I agree totally. We've wasted $8 trillion and counting on the War on Poverty since the 1960s. If we stopped that today, we'd be in the black overnight.
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"At the moment of conception."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302582 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:01:32 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302565 said by bent:

I think there's a difference between "borrowing" good ideas that work and outright theft of code. But again, simply recoding someone else's idea is not the same as stealing their code. There's a million different ways to write a "Hello, world!" program and if a million people wrote said program in a unique way they might be borrowing one another's good ideas but they are not stealing each other's code.

said by bent:

I mean c'mon... they didn't even bother to change the A:\> prompt. :D

If you really want to be that detailed you could say the same thing about Minix and Linux. They use the same prompt style as the old commercial Unix did prior to AT&T's liberating it in the 1990s.
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302288 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:13:28 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302187 said by pnh102:

said by bent:

Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years.

True. I figured that once Hillary Clinton became president, we could go back to the good old days of the 1990s, right?

Oh, wait a minute.
It's actually very easy: just stop the trillion-dollar war.. oh wait a minute, that's red herring for ignorant gun-touting redneck-country, isn't it?

said by bent:

This the technological direction of this country needs to be more Google-like and less M$-like.

How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders.

Except that in the past ~5 years Google's stock waaay overperformed MSFT while maintained its positive approach unlike M$ - evil doesn't really pay after all?
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21302159 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 11:52:42 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21301395 said by bent:

I'm not sure what you're implying by your list of Googles competition, but I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own.
On that note, do you think Linus Torvalds, Dr. Andrew Tannenbaum, Richard Stallman and the numerous other individuals who wrote open source software that mimicked the operation of commercially available software should be labeled as software pirates?
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"At the moment of conception."]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21301395 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 09:34:43 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21301070 said by ThrowDemsOut:

Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year, I wouldn't bet on the Congress approving this initiative any time soon. Normally during a recession conventional wisdom (which I agree) is to have government run deficits to pump money into the economy to help jump start it. When times are good you get your economic house in order to get ready for the next rainy day.

Not to get too political but this administration has done such a horrendous economic job that will be difficult. At some point creditors become leery of loaning us money. Even countries can only live beyond their means for so long.

One of my frustrations during the presidential debates was neither candidate addressed how spending $700B on bale-out, reduction in tax revenue due to recession, and war spending, would affect budget.

Net-Neutrality policy is independent of broadband policy. Net-Neutrality is not the the expensive part, that is building First-Mile access network. We need to put the cost into perspective. Costs about $2,000 per household to deliver FTTP. There are about 110 million households in the US so we are talking about $200-300 Billion to wire up the nation. That is a lot of money but if we had not squandered so much recently it is certainly doable. I'd argue in the near term there are higher priority tasks.

/tom]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21301070 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 08:19:49 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300910 said by bent:

said by ThrowDemsOut:

Given the state of the economy and the already horrendous budget deficit expected to reach over $500 billion in the coming fiscal year...

Since this is a overtly political thread, I'd just like to remind everyone that there was a budget surplus at the end of the Clinton years. Tax and spend, or borrow and spend. Take your pick.
Wrongo Bongo... I guess the more it's proclaimed the truer it gets... »www.letxa.com/articles/16]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300910 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 07:00:01 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300729 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300729 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 03:33:38 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300588
This is the sort of thing I associate with Google:

"After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page, and CEO Eric Schmidt, requested that their base salary be cut to US$1.00. Subsequent offers by the company to increase their salaries have been turned down, primarily because, "their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests." Prior to 2004, Schmidt was making US$250,000 per year, and Page and Brin each earned a salary of US$150,000."

Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that?
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300588 Tue, 21 Oct 2008 01:52:53 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300218 said by bent:

I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from? According to O'Bama's support of HR4137, O'Bama feels infringing someone's deployed creation is stealing.

So then, the answer to your question is,
ask jeeves
altavista
dogpile
vivisimo
lycos
alltheweb
hotbot
webcrawler
infoseek
looksmart
wisenut
yahoo!
einet galaxy
excite
virtual library
rsbe
wwwworm
aliweb
veronica
archie
smart

to name a few.

NV
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Suggesting either for this position is insane as I would hope there is someone who is without commercial influence and could find and make the decisions that would best serve all concerned and given this is a government type position serve the public first and foremost. Certainly I would rather have someone from a purely academic background as they would tend to be a little freer of such influences, but yet know the issues and technology etc.

Blake
The flip side to that is that people from purely academic environs can be out of touch with the business world that drives technology adoption. I'm not saying that's always the case, but...
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300109 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:19:54 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21300053 said by bent:

Sorry to derail the thread so horribly, but mentioning Cerf and Ballmer in the same context was asking for it ;)Suggesting either for this position is insane as I would hope there is someone who is without commercial influence and could find and make the decisions that would best serve all concerned and given this is a government type position serve the public first and foremost. Certainly I would rather have someone from a purely academic background as they would tend to be a little freer of such influences, but yet know the issues and technology etc.

Blake
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From the above link:
"CP/M-86 was expected to be the standard operating system of the new IBM PCs, but DRI and IBM were unable to negotiate development and licensing terms. IBM turned to Microsoft instead, and Microsoft delivered PC-DOS based on a CP/M "clone," 86-DOS. Although CP/M-86 became an option for the IBM PC after DRI threatened legal action, it never overtook Microsoft's system."

That whole deal sounded shady as hell to me when I first heard about it, and it still does.

Sorry to derail the thread so horribly, but mentioning Cerf and Ballmer in the same context was asking for it ;)
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He certainly had/has no problems with Microsoft's acquisition of his OS and Microsoft even worked with them (Seattle Computer Products) for about a year helping them develop/finish it before acquiring it. While it might have proven over the years to have been a good business move, it certainly wasn't as 'evil' as people might think and Tim certainly doesn't have any regrets about it.

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»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Go···isitions]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21299338 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:42:49 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21299239 said by bent:

So because I paid you money for pirated software, that makes my copy legit? Don't think so.Of course it doesn't. But Bill, nor the company from which he purchased QDOS, did not pirate anything.

Besides, quite a bit of popular open-source, zero cost software has been developed using the same methods that the company which made QDOS used. It may not have been pirated, but it was emulated quite well. ;)
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I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from?
And Google didn't create the "search engine". They built on earlier search engine technologies. Patent infringement anyone? Google has had to defend themselves in court on that issue already.

And Google has bought up more companies for their technology(search & otherwise) than Microsoft ever did.
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I'm not so sure... who exactly did Google steal the search engine from?
According to your link, Bill Gates stole DOS from no one. He paid the original creator a sum of money in exchange for the rights to the OS and then modified it as he saw fit. None of this is illegal, much less "stealing."
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"That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21299017 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:45:02 EDT Re: Money for this will be hard to get http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Money-for-this-will-be-hard-to-get-21298996 said by ThrowDemsOut:

They are 2 sides of the same coin separated by ten years of history. Google is also smart enough to get in bed with the politicians before any bogus anti-trust lawsuits can be filed. :D
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said by pnh102:

How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders.

The philosophies of how they go about doing that are vastly different.
Are they different? I don't think so. It is just that they are at different phases of the same reality - creating a monopoly. Microsoft is at the phase where they are trying to protect their gains and slow the descent. Google is still in the expansion phase and just now is drawing the attention of anti-trust regulators around the world. They are 2 sides of the same coin separated by ten years of history.
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How are the two companies any different? Both seek to make maximum profit for their shareholders.
The philosophies of how they go about doing that are vastly different.
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