Re: Money for this will be hard to get

Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent Re: Money for this will be hard to get said by bent : Ronnie and Arnie? They're two guys from the Right who actually were leaders of a state with an economy larger than most countries. When they were actors, I can't remember a time that they counseled us and the rest of the world on how to conduct the aforementioned affairs. While they were actors, they - acted. Like my plumber, my dentist, and others who've chosen to serve us; they didn't feel compelled instruct me, 6 billion others and their leaders on how to manage the most complex issues of our time. Somehow, Ronnie and Arnie, just knew that acting and pretending weren't the same thing. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs:	reply to Noah Vail Ronnie and Arnie?
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent said by bent : I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own. Nearly every A-list actor I can think of, has offered me direction in geo-climate, socioeconomic or global-financial events. They believe that the industry of entertainment has prepared them sufficiently to decide how the world powers should handle these things. Can you come up with a counterpart on the Right, where so many from one arena, consistently offer expertise on matters that are so wholly out of their field? Because I'm afraid that I can't come up with one. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to Noah Vail said by Noah Vail : I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment. I think it's pretty common on both sides, a perfectly normal human tendency to use the soapbox they happen to be perched on. I think we notice it a bit more when those soapboxed views don't align with our own. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent Ya know, now that we're at the end of this; I'd like to say that I LIKE Google. I have a gmail account, and I have turned hundreds of home pages from yahoo! or MSN to Google. Most have stayed. I like Google because they bring me a superior product. Their search engine and it's careful attention to operators is second to none. I rarely find what I want on their first page; 20-40 is more likely. No one else yields the results I need at all. I personally don't care for their cultural arrogance. They suffer a delusion, common on the left, that notoriety has somehow imbued them with political discernment. But they've been quiet of late and continue to bring me the finest web apps anywhere. I do admire how they (and nearly they alone) have figured out that a cluttered startpage serves no good whatsoever. In this, they employ wisdom. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs:	reply to Noah Vail If those guys had any brains, they would have kept their cash cows alive.
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent said by bent : I guess you're of the opinion that it's better to be to a nutless idiot? You can guess that, if that's what you want. I've offered no opinion on the matter. said by bent : I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire. And I offered other men who have those qualities you admire. said by bent : That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms. It IS curious why you would choose qualities that align Google with the very folks you are trying to separate them from. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to Noah Vail I guess you're of the opinion that it's better to be to a nutless idiot? I didn't state those as the qualifiers, only qualities I admire. That really brings be back to my original point, which was to illustrate the differences between Google and some other companies. Your list got millions for dereliction, and those Googles execs fortunes rise and fall with the fortunes of their company. Last time I checked, Google wasn't begging like pauper, unlike NY financial firms. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent said by bent : Company? How do you figure? I'm having trouble drawing any parallels between those guys and their companies and the Google execs I mentioned and their company. Clue me in? You gave testicles and brains (in that order) as the qualifiers for great leaders of companies. I gave other examples of men with the same, 'gifts' and the wealth those 'gifts' earned for them. That would be the parallel. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to Noah Vail Company? How do you figure? I'm having trouble drawing any parallels between those guys and their companies and the Google execs I mentioned and their company. Clue me in? -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent said by bent : Haw! Where's... balls... suckering... board... giving... millions... of... performance... testicular... comes... to... tying... remuneration... to... failure... success... your company. Ah. I thought you might want to alter your conclusion a bit, once it was revealed the company it kept. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to Noah Vail Haw! Where's the balls in suckering a board into giving you millions regardless of your performance? The testicular capacity comes in to play tying your remuneration solely to the failure or success of your company. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable	reply to bent Actually, I believe your criteria for most excellent CEO dude were said by bent : Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. Of which the aforementioned financial wizards, are fully possessed. Perhaps, upon reflection, you have revised criteria for most excellent CEO dude? NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly .. 1 edit	reply to Noah Vail I think you inadvertently made my point for me. The douchebags you listed are execs who did the opposite of what Googles did. Now list for us the execs who received $0 in 2007... In order to insert all those "blahs" you must have read and understood, no? edit for typo -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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Noah Vail Premium join:2004-12-10 Lorton, VA ·RoadRunner Cable 2 edits	reply to bent said by bent : ...I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. Of Course Not. They ripped off several different search engines and presented Google as their own creation. said by bent : This is the sort of thing I associate with Google: "After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders...blah, blah, blah... requested that their base salary be ...blah, blah, blah... primarily because, "their primary compensation continues... blah, blah, blah... As significant stockholders, their personal wealth ...blah, blah, blah... stock price appreciation and performance, ...blah, blah, blah... US$250,000 per year,...blah" Ah, yes. Hmmmm. said by bent : Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that? Well these guys seem to belong to that crowd. Lehman Brothers CEO Richard Fuld Jr. $34 million in 2007 Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein $70 million last year. Co-Chief Operating Officers Gary Cohn and Jon Winkereid were paid $72.5 million and $71 million, respectively. Bears Sterns former chair Jimmy Cayne received $60 million AIG chief executive Martin Sullivan got $14 million compensation package. Robert Willumstad received $7 million for three months. Morgan Stanley Chair John Mack earned $1.6 million + stock. CFO Colin Kelleher got a $21 million paycheck in 2007. Countrywide Financial's CEO Angelo Mozilo's total take is over $400 million. Merrill Lynch's Stanley Neal, was given a package of $160 Million. Fannie Mae's CEO Daniel Mudd received $11.6 million in 2007. Freddie Mac's CEO Richard Syron, brought in $18 million. Wachovia Corp. CEO G. Kennedy Thompson received $21 million in 2007. Washington Mutual's CEO Alan Fishman gets a salary and incentive package worth more than $20 million through 2009. Since Testicles and brains seem to be the true measure of a man, these guys got 'em in spades. There aren't enough trophies to go around. NV -- Abortion: A Republican Plot to Thin the Liberal Herd.
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to bent said by bent : I think there's a difference between "borrowing" good ideas that work and outright theft of code. But again, simply recoding someone else's idea is not the same as stealing their code. There's a million different ways to write a "Hello, world!" program and if a million people wrote said program in a unique way they might be borrowing one another's good ideas but they are not stealing each other's code. said by bent : I mean c'mon... they didn't even bother to change the A:\> prompt. If you really want to be that detailed you could say the same thing about Minix and Linux. They use the same prompt style as the old commercial Unix did prior to AT&T's liberating it in the 1990s. -- "At the moment of conception."
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to pnh102 I think there's a difference between "borrowing" good ideas that work and outright theft of code. I mean c'mon... they didn't even bother to change the A:\> prompt. -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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pnh102 Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD ·Comcast	reply to bent said by bent : I'm not sure what you're implying by your list of Googles competition, but I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. On that note, do you think Linus Torvalds, Dr. Andrew Tannenbaum, Richard Stallman and the numerous other individuals who wrote open source software that mimicked the operation of commercially available software should be labeled as software pirates? -- "At the moment of conception."
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KrK Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy Premium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK	reply to bent It was shady. DOS was CP/M with very minor modifications.
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bent not broken Premium join:2004-10-04 Loveland, CO clubs: ·Comcast Formerly ..	reply to Noah Vail I'm not sure what you're implying by your list of Googles competition, but I really doubt that Google blatantly ripped off an OS and sold it as their own. This is the sort of thing I associate with Google: "After the company's IPO in August 2004, it was reported that founders Sergey Brin and Larry Page, and CEO Eric Schmidt, requested that their base salary be cut to US$1.00. Subsequent offers by the company to increase their salaries have been turned down, primarily because, "their primary compensation continues to come from returns on their ownership stakes in Google. As significant stockholders, their personal wealth is tied directly to sustained stock price appreciation and performance, which provides direct alignment with stockholder interests." Prior to 2004, Schmidt was making US$250,000 per year, and Page and Brin each earned a salary of US$150,000." Big brass balls, and the smarts to back them up. How many other CEOs of C-corps do you know of that have done that? -- »www.lp.org/issues/family-budget "That government is best which governs least" - Thoreau
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