said by Jigsaw :

Yous should like this.... :D

(youtube clip)

said by Gundy :

Maybe its just me but I like a game to be challenging. Playing it through over and over again is only fun if its changing. The whole AI director thing really didn't seem to change things up like I expected. Once you learn where the three spots possible of where the pistol spawns on the first map it becomes predictable for example.

On normal the survivors go blasting through no problem. But I guess I'll have a challenge if I run across a team that works together.. well maybe that'll happen some match. That or between finding a good player and then the opposite team leaves and no one joins. Thats great to.

Hell even campaign is easy as shit on Normal. Games get dull if they are kept to one difficulty. The game was fun for the first month(?) of launch. Now I'll probably end up retiring it unless I can get abunch of friends together ( even on each team ) to keep people from leaving and what not.

said by sapo :

Play my group when we are infected, if you make it to the end in versus you will be lucky.

said by Gundy :

The advanced versus was alot more fun to me. Since the patch I haven't been playing as much. Its way to easy for a survivor to go blasting through a map and win.

Not to mention, at least on a harder difficulty the game gets more fun. You have to watch FF, Ammo, and use strategy. I actually enjoyed playing as SURVIVOR on advanced more so than infected. For the fact it was actually challenging.

said by The Flash :

If you have a good infected team, survivors shouldn't make it through even in normal.

Valve never intended for it to be played other than normal, everyone just got spoiled. It's the server modders that changed the difficult in the first place and Valve locked it as it was meant to be played.

said by sapo :

I've raped teams just out of spawn in versus on normal in a few recent games after the update. The teams received less than 10 points, it just takes a little luck and coordination. I feel this is a good update even though it is restricted as it allows for a consistent game play feel in the most competitive part of the game. Even though choice is good I just think that having a standard level across the most important aspect of the game is more beneficial.

said by sixstring :

by the way, anyone know if they are going to add more campaigns/content? its a fun game, but it'll be better if we had more content.

also i noticed mob spawn is somewhat predictable.. shouldnt the AI director mix it up?

said by winterforge :

What do you have against people being able to choose? You can choose your difficulty in co-op, why not versus? You, as a player, should be able to select what difficulty you are looking for when searching for a server. Then there are no surprises and everyone is happy. Those that want to play on normal select that before searching, those who want advanced select that. How could that possibly be a bad thing? Normal is VERY boring. Survivors can always make it through with all green health and not even use a health pack. Yeah, real zombie apocalypse there...

said by ender7074 :

Will do. I'll check it out as soon as I'm home. Look back around 6pm CST.

said by Smatchimo :

im gunna go ahead and ask you to give me your driver info lol. ive tried almost every set.

My computer never crashed until one particular update from steam. dunno which did it, but caused major overlay problems in CS:S at first, then it spread. then it went away, now its back, even without changing drivers...

its mind boggling. hopefully you stumbled on some ultra-resilient drivers that dont have these problems.

said by sixstring :

i hear you.. i usually just end up hosting local.

said by ender7074 :

My biggest problem with Left 4 Dead is the god-awful matchmaking system and server selection.

said by Smatchimo :

yea, no, Valve games + Vista + 8800GTx = frustration beyond belief. i crash sometimes, sometimes not. some games, other times no games. i dont get it. tf2, l4d, css, hldm..... no other games do this to my system.

said by sapo :

I noticed that the game is a lot easier playing expert with only 2 humans vs 4. Must be some progressive difficulty thing.

Anyone else notice this?

said by sapo :

Like what? The versus mode thing should have already been there at release so I don't consider that as an addition.

said by sapo :

I don't doubt Valve will come through with great stuff just asking what you knew.

said by winterforge :

I don't work for Valve, so I can't say for certain, but most likely more maps. Look how much they have added to TF2. Don't think they just released this and then they will forget about it, look at their track record.

said by JIGA :

Mchart, what is your favorite all time game post 2000?

said by winterforge :

They will be adding more, they have already stated that. First up is adding the two other campaigns to the Versus mode (they have to design all the climbing points etc), then later there will be more.

said by Mchart :

*Raises Hand*

said by sapo :

Does anyone think this game doesn't have enough content?

said by Gundy :

Is there a server browser instead of just clicking find now games?

I thought someone mentioned there was one..

said by Stewy :

yeap, even better.

(however they did screw the ending in that movie)

said by Homunculus :

Reminds me of 28 Days/Weeks later... ;)

said by sapo :

Your interpretations are a bit off. First of all, you would not be able to provide any basis for that specific "Rambo" definition so I cannot accept that as an absolute truth. It's too easy to just change around what it means this way to suit your argument. Fairly useless to argue. Also the below quoted statement contained the word "probably" which therefore does not make it a assumption as it cannot be taken for granted. Probable just states a higher likelihood.

said by JIGA :

I still haven't picked it up yet, but are there any more added weapons in the retail version?

said by winterforge :

What are you talking about? Zombies are real right? Don't tell me this is another Santa Claus/Easter Bunny thing...

said by The Flash :

why should a zombie shooter be realistic in the first place?

said by FiL :

Your shooting zombies with a sniper rifle at point blank range... that alone makes it unrealistic. The weapons are boring as fuck in the demo's I'm watchin... it's like Soccom with zombies, and less team work. Arcade shooter at most.

edit: is dual wielding possible? If so, then it gains +10pts from me...

said by Metatron2008 :

All 10 weapons were in the demo. The game has 10 weapons total.

'10 new weapons' was a bit of an exageration...

said by JIGA :

I still haven't picked it up yet, but are there any more added weapons in the retail version?

All we had in the demo was;
Pistols
Uzi
Pump Shotgun
Auto Shotgun
M16
Sniper Rifle
Molotov
Pipe Bomb
And the stationary Gatlin Gun

So, are there any more weapons added in retail? I remember at the end of the demo is kept saying "10 new weapons". I would like to have a bit more variety in weapons, but nothing insance like a rocket launcher or 203... just some more SMG's and LMG's.

said by The Flash :

I haven't played it too much but I think that's about it, you can pick up an oxygen and propane tank. In a way it's more realistic not to have like CS type guns, in a zombie setting at least.

Knowing Valve, they might add more stuff. The game support just doesn't end there.

said by sapo :

...Anyways as long as people keep bosses off I can manage. I've been consistently getting all getting kill records so far in completing the campaigns with my teams so I'm doing good enough.

said by Nightfall :

I didn't know that a date less than a month ago is considered ancient. ;)

said by Nightfall :

I didn't know that a date less than a month ago is considered ancient. ;)

said by sapo :

Read the dates smart man, I bought the game, those posts are ancient. Anyways as long as people keep bosses off I can manage. I've been consistently getting all getting kill records so far in completing the campaigns with my teams so I'm doing good enough.

said by Fluke :

Play the game! you will see rambo style does NOT work

said by sapo :

Dynamic difficulty, AI team when no other people are present. I'm sure you will be just fine without good coordination, of course your teammates will still be putting work in to your advantage. Anyway you can give me the game at any time so I can play it.

said by sapo :

You act like you played this game. Rambo style will probably work fine like all other games which say you need teamplay. Just need to learn the game and play accordingly.

Also making a group that plays regularly doesn't even make sense, you just need to make the group and hope people play regularly and do your part.

Cease the assumptions General.

said by sapo :

The demo isn't even half of one Campaign.

said by The Flash :

You need to play with friends, that's what makes the game a whole lot of fun. As for limited replay value, some people have spend over 100 hrs just on the freakin demo.

said by Stewy :

you got that right, they just released a HL1 engine update.

As far as the game being expensive, of course it's expensive for a game but that's what they call a premium. Just look at Bioshock I just saw today that it's going for $19.99

Eventually all games will go to the $20 mark after a year and lower after that.

said by Mchart :

I just don't understand how people like this game so much. It's so damn linear. Nothing changes, even though they have the AI director - But all that changes is just how zombies are distributed throughout the map. Big deal. I'd say if this game was $30 - It's be a better deal. $50 is just way to much for a game that has limited replay value. I played through the demo once on expert mode and that was that. Nothing to special.

said by The Flash :

Crashes will be fixed, it's Valve they fix things.

said by JIGA :

I really want to get the game, but damn... I'm sucked up in Wrath of the Lich King WoW xpack right now.

Maybe I'll grab it this weekend.

said by sixstring :

thinking about getting it, but judging from the demo the Mercy campaign is a bit short. Is there more than 1 campaign in the game? I remember i saw a list of campaigns.

said by Mchart :

I just don't understand how people like this game so much. It's so damn linear. Nothing changes, even though they have the AI director - But all that changes is just how zombies are distributed throughout the map. Big deal. I'd say if this game was $30 - It's be a better deal. $50 is just way to much for a game that has limited replay value. I played through the demo once on expert mode and that was that. Nothing to special.

said by Mchart :

I just don't understand how people like this game so much. It's so damn linear. Nothing changes, even though they have the AI director - But all that changes is just how zombies are distributed throughout the map. Big deal. I'd say if this game was $30 - It's be a better deal. $50 is just way to much for a game that has limited replay value. I played through the demo once on expert mode and that was that. Nothing to special.

said by brianiscool :

This game is a joke. First of all it's just a source engine mod. Second the game cost $49.99. Third the game always crashes when you go and add bosses into the game.

said by brianiscool :

This game is a joke. First of all it's just a source engine mod. Second the game cost $49.99. Third the game always crashes when you go and add bosses into the game.

said by brianiscool :

This game is a joke. First of all it's just a source engine mod. Second the game cost $49.99. Third the game always crashes when you go and add bosses into the game.

said by winterforge :

Agreed, though if all 4 of you are drunk it could be pretty fun. If anyone isn't though, they won't be having as good of a time ;)

said by sapo :

Did you have any other Source based games installed?

said by The Flash :

Download is about 1.5GB, found out first hand.

said by JIGA :

Don't play this game drunk... The Flash can tell you all about his experience playing L4D with me while I was under the influence! :D

I think I shot our own team more than the zombies... Crown N Coke in one hand, uzi in the other.

said by winterforge :

My L4D preload folder is about 5 gigs I believe. I wouldn't be surprised if there is more to preload before Tuesday though.

said by winterforge :

Yes. Pre-loading started today, I've got mine ready and just waiting for the unlock Tuesday :-)

said by Jigsaw :

Well Played the Demo...I have to say it was pretty fun and well i picked up the full game as well as Fallout 3(my ISP is going to love me i DL'ed about 10 gigs in the last 12 hours just from steam :).I think these are the first games i bought in a long time the last game i bought was Sins of a Solar Empire....

said by Stewy :

Have you guys been playing with headsets ?

said by JIGA :

I'm sure you know in the retail version there will be 4vs4+AI mode. 4 players playing the survivors and 4 players playing the boss infected (Hunter, Smoker, Boomer, and Tank) + the AI infected. So playing the game that way will more than likely spice up the challenge.

I for one am really looking forward to the 4vs4, especially playing as the Smoker, drag one of the straglers to a witch :)

said by Mchart :

I'm enjoying it, but I can see this game getting boring fast. Honestly, it's way to easy. Playing with an experienced group of people, the zombies just get blown away. Hopefully, they will make the game harder.

said by The Flash :

So are you convinced now?

said by sapo :

I noticed that the game is a lot easier playing expert with only 2 humans vs 4. Must be some progressive difficulty thing.

Anyone else notice this?

said by winterforge :

Just two-manned it on Expert (barely) with JIGA using two AI controlled teammates :-) So much fun, can't wait to play the other maps!

said by JIGA :

I see a bunch of people in the DSLR group that I have no clue who they are. No recognizable name on here. I think we have a lot of friends of friends in there.

said by JIGA :

First couple of games were on normal, which was ok since I was getting use to the game. The last few I played were on expert and were the best games I played. Hell of a fun time :D Damn zombies coming in at you full speed and from various angles, jumping over cars and each other. AHHH I love it! :)

Always did enjoy playing the zombie mods for source, but this is 100X better.

said by The Flash :

I hope you were playing expert cause that's where the fun is at, on that level, you DO NOT want to agro the witch...you can sneak by her if you try.

said by marco :

I agree about expert, I don't agree about the witch. Just have everyone stand in range and shoot her at the same time. She'll die before one-shotting any of you.

said by The Flash :

I hope you were playing expert cause that's where the fun is at, on that level, you DO NOT want to agro the witch...you can sneak by her if you try.

said by Stewy :

Your gona need a headset for this one.

said by Reck Havoc :

Offical demo should be out today.

said by wings10 :

Really need team work to win. Someone always has to be point and someone always has to watch the back.

said by Reck Havoc :

Offical demo should be out today.

said by LaZ3R :

Hahaaha, I by mistake got the whole team killed when I by MISTAKE hit the car and set off the alarm :p. Flash got owned by the zombies as did I shortly afterward :p. Really fun game. Can't wait to see how they made the rest of the levels :).

said by winterforge :

Tried and I get this

said by sapo :

I've been tearing this game up for a bit, if you like playing with someone who has your back and likes to play on Expert then feel free to add me. sapo916 is my steam name.

said by CaptMidnight :

This game rocks! My game id is LUCKY-STRIKE add me and ill watch your back:)

said by JIGA :

I'm getting the demo and will be on later tonight. If anyone is on we can try it out.

*EDIT*

Can't get the demo to download...

Ahh, I guess in order to get this early demo you need to pre-order. Haven't done that yet.

said by The Flash :

You can play with friends, join in a current game as well. It actually worked quite well for me yesterday.

said by Metatron2008 :

I think I'm feeling second opinions... this feels like a damn Xbox port.

said by Metatron2008 :

»www.left4dead411.com/news/2008/1···-server/

People who ownn servers are panicking, as their now no point in owning a dedicated server.

Which in turns means hardly no one will have servers, so you should panic too at this xbox (live) 'port'.

said by JIGA :

Oh wow... :( I pray it is not going to be like that. I don't want to be dumped into some random server, I want to play with you guys. I'm purchasing this game solely on the MP aspect and being able to play co-op which I love! If L4D is truely going to go this route I'm sorry to say the game will not see my money.

Very sad to see them F up such a great game if they do this.

said by Metatron2008 :

»www.left4dead411.com/news/2008/1···-server/

People who ownn servers are panicking, as their now no point in owning a dedicated server.

Which in turns means hardly no one will have servers, so you should panic too at this xbox (live) 'port'.

said by Metatron2008 :

I think I'm feeling second opinions... this feels like a damn Xbox port.

said by Dandy :

Great game except one fact. WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THE MATCHMAKING! This isn't an xbox 360 I wanna join and create servers so I can play with my friends.

said by winterforge :

Here ya go »rthaut.deviantart.com/art/RoyDar···70723083

said by The Flash :

Is that a Steam skin? looks nice.

said by The Flash :

Is that a Steam skin? looks nice.

said by winterforge :

I just added you JIGA and it has you listed as an invitation.

said by JIGA :

Can't find you on Steam Friends winterforge.

said by Somnambul33t :

i will be buying this as soon as i have the money to do so. Valve has never let me down and L4D looks very good if you actually read up on it. they hired Turtlerock studios into Valve to make the game and the founder of Turtlerock is an AI genious who worked on the Red Alert series.

said by Mchart :

Not to terribly excited. They've made it way to 'unrealistic' when compared to George Romero canon - And it's just way to arcadey now. That said, it still looks like it will be a blast. I just don't like the fact that they made such a major shift towards being an arcadey game.

said by Mchart :

Not to terribly excited. They've made it way to 'unrealistic' when compared to George Romero canon - And it's just way to arcadey now. That said, it still looks like it will be a blast. I just don't like the fact that they made such a major shift towards being an arcadey game.

said by JIGA :

No point trying to convince them, narrow minded can't see the full potential of the game. Maybe if they read the PC Gamer preview of it then they "might" grasp the concept of coop.

*EDIT* I'm JIGA on steam.

said by winterforge :

If you are playing the survivors with 3 other real people you have to work together. There are places you can't climb without a teammate helping you. If you fall in battle, your teammate has to revive you. If you are low on health and already used your health pack they can give you theirs. The list goes on. The game forces you to work together or you'll never make it through. No, I haven't played it, but my friend is currently. If you are playing as the infected, then teamwork isn't as much of an issue though it still helps.

said by sapo :

Dynamic difficulty, AI team when no other people are present. I'm sure you will be just fine without good coordination, of course your teammates will still be putting work in to your advantage. Anyway you can give me the game at any time so I can play it.

said by winterforge :

Try, I live in Seattle. Valve is a 15-minute drive from me. I know a tester. Thanks for playing though. And you are completely wrong about the game. Don't take my word for it though, you can play it yourself.

said by sapo :

You act like you played this game. Rambo style will probably work fine like all other games which say you need teamplay. Just need to learn the game and play accordingly.

Also making a group that plays regularly doesn't even make sense, you just need to make the group and hope people play regularly and do your part.

Cease the assumptions General.