said by Dropper :

My problem with this is not getting spanked in BGs or Arena. My problem with this is where have all the healers gone!!!

said by rawwhide :

It doesn't matter that the battle isn't won in 5, 10, 15, or even 20 seconds, it's the fact that you can stun lock a person from 100-0. CC in pvp should be non existent. Fears, cyclones, roots, and stuns should all be gone imho. The argument and crying is about stunned from 100-0 with paladins. They aren't doing anything different than rogues besides the 100-0 is a little faster.

said by Kevlar :

THANK you for saying this

Happens to me as well (admittedly with poor gear at around 260 resil) but still....

Nerf locks!!!

....and stunlocking rogues.....and mana burning priests.....and kiting hunters......and...and...

well you get the idea

said by d_advocate :

It does matter. Its not a little faster, its 2-3 times faster. The stun as it stands at 50 second CD (its much worse when they can stun you for 6 seconds every 20) isn't the root of the issue so nerfing the stun will not solve the problem. The problem as already been determined by blizz is the amount of burst damage they can put out while their victim is stunned, which is why that aspect was nerfed. No one is really complaining about ret pally's 1v1 in duels, people are complaining because in BGs/arenas, they just roll through people. A rogue pulling off a full 100-0 stunlock or a warlock pulling off a 100-0 fear in a crowded area is not something you see everyday, even in pug BGs someone is bound to interrupt their long chain in which everything has to go correctly. A pally blowing someone up in 1 hammer happens about every 50 seconds per pally.

said by Tehuno :

to be fair, rogues are hitting 6-7k ambushes on 400+ resil clothies all day long. Not a whole lot of reason to stunlock when you can take over 50% of your opponents health off in your opener.

said by Frozencpu :

Ok guys you still on QQ part which has been going around ever since the patch well i understand all you lil boy and girls crying about pallys and how he did that and he did this and all the blah blah blah.

First let me introduce my self that i have been Ret since pre BC but i was fortunate enough to be loved in my guild and had an oportunity to raid. Here is what i think about all this QQ. I was also a beta tester for wrath and have tested alot of things out. Now so you dont all jump me here with youre lil QQ jokes i do agree that Ret is a bit OP in PvP but that only depends how good you actually can be. Here is an example of a few matches that i have played last night in 2v2 and 3v3.

We had played 40 games in around 1700 bracket we won about 30 games and lost 10. The folks that we lost too were 2000 rated comp teams like Mage/Rogue my favorite cuz i cant do shit agains those 2 in any shape of form me being OP as all you guys say. This is the team that has CC control over anyone in the bracket. Also teams we lost too by me like you all say FACEROLL were holy paly/warrior and priest/hunter or priest/rogue. Were basicly a mana fight and even then hunters and rogue work their CC to some point of extinction. Now i am no master of Arena but i have been playing this game long enough to undestand the mechanics of other classes do's and dont's but thats not why i am here trying to shine some ligh on you lil boys and girls that are running in fear when they see a Ret paladin in distance.

In any comp agains a ret pally you just got a have some ballz and CC skills to make that paly bubble and surive his shield and then its cake really for anyone to murder me in 5-8 secs time. Which has been done many times last night by alot of diffrent comps mainly CC comps. That just proves the point of where we cant be OP in all the situations and specially the ones that can heal agains that dmg i do while i am running out of mana.

Oh and one last thing before i go. I just want it to say that blizz hot fixed things allready and i dont think there gona put much work into fixing the 70 class before the wrath goes live since were back where we started prior to 3.0 but only with some burst dmg left to take away with that stun so i dont see how it can be that dificult for folks that PvP now a days on higher scale to be able to defeat Ret with out even putting much skill to it.

Farewell everyone and i see you in Wrath on my DK.

said by Frozencpu :

I would say lock since their OP and everyone will QQ about it too and not like its hard to roll youre face on keyboard:)

said by drew :

You must be new to 3.0.

No one things Locks are over powered now.

said by Frozencpu :

I dont disagree with you making that statment but for example taking into the play that same Ret paladin with no form of CC wont be able to deal with 2 people at same time, where locks,mages,rogues can. But were talking about skill here. Most of the QQ came from just like the topic says nerf Ret. I am just making a point at which everyone got something sweet up in their sleve to show in PvP match up after 3.0 not just Ret paladins.