Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to Integrator
Re: nerf ret paladins *again*
0 resilience and you want to whine about how someone beat you in pvp? Uh...alright. Go lrn2play or go solo Karazhan with your dual warglaives and the rest of your T6 junk that won't matter in 3 weeks and trade in some tokens for some crap pvp gear. Or, even better, go buy the blue shit off the reputation vendors. If you're in T6 and have glaives, I'm sure you have all the rep out there to buy some pvp gear, right?
As far as the ret nerfs, when 3.0.3 pops, you won't be seeing any more ret paladins out there. With a 37% crit damage reduction which will give them nothing for burst, they'll switch back to their other builds or their other OP classes.
Frankly, I wish I was on the same battlegroup as you so I could get my rogue and wtfpwn your sorry ass. 0 Reslience...mmmm....if you want to do some real whining, I'll give you a reason to with my mutilate rogue.  |
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Integrator
Rock of the Marne
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join:2002-09-02
Keller, TX | LOL. A anonymous angry poster out of the woodwork.
Please go "PWN" elsewhere. |
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DarkspiteAzgalor
@medtronic.com
| reply to SSX4life
I feel the orginal poster’s pain. I too am a rogue, with ~350 res., ~11k health and was beat down by a paly (1 on 1) in reputation gear and a level 68 blue mace. The fight started as she caught me with a HoJ. Like any good rogue I waited until the initial stun was over so that I could trinket out of repentance. By the time I was able to trinket I had less than 2k health, she trinketed my blind and the fight was over. Granted, I made a mistake by not being sneaky enough and letting her start the fight, but jeez.
Now, I’m fine with being stunlocked by a class that can 100-0 me in 10-12 seconds or so (Cheapshot > Kidney Shot > Blind > Stealth > Cheapshot = dead) with an equally geared opponent but it seems ridiculous to 100-0 me in 6 seconds by a player in rep blues and a weapon easily found on the AH. Skill is not a factor. Gear is not a factor. The factor is that Pallies are too far buffed right now.
I hear the argument made by blizzard blue posts and other players that a pally is fine at 80 but appears overdone at 70. Is it possible that the damage done by pallies (and other classes for that matter) will not scale appropriately with spell ranks and gear itemization at 80? I remember doing far, far, far less damage at 60 than I do at 70 so I don’t understand the argument. Could someone explain please?
Thanks,
~Darkspite - Azaglor |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to Integrator
said by Integrator  :LOL. A anonymous angry poster out of the woodwork. Please go "PWN" elsewhere. Out of the woodwork? I've been posting on here for the past week, since I found the site. Unfortunately, my work firewall won't let me see the page with the link to create an account on here because they're security nazis.
And I'm far from angry. I find it hilarious that a rogue in T6 and with warglaives has something to whine about. Maybe he's a relative of Kael. |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to DarkspiteAzgalor
said by DarkspiteAzgalor :
Like any BAD rogue I waited until the initial stun was over so that I could trinket out of repentance. By the time I was able to trinket I had less than 2k health, she trinketed my blind and the fight was over. Granted, I made a mistake by not being sneaky enough and letting her start the fight, but jeez.
Thanks,
~Darkspite - Azaglor
Fixed.
Don't trinket out of repentance. Repentance breaks the moment you take any type of damage at all. You trinket out of HoJ, not the other way around. |
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Dandy
join:2001-12-30
Brooklyn, NY
clubs: | reply to SSX4life
Yah us ret pallies are overpowered, about damn time too!  |
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DownLow
Nope...I Got Nothing
Premium
join:2001-04-25
Long Island
| reply to DarkspiteAzgalor
Let's see about this match up - I would call it a mirror/counter Darkspite (although maybe not) but people refuse to understand that not every class can beat every class..its a fact of the game:
1) Ret pally is in plate - you're leather = pally win
2) Ret pally has melee and spell - you have melee = pally win
3) Ret pally has heal - you have nothing = pally win
4) Ret pally has bubble - you have CloS (cloak of skill  ) = tie?
Face it, if you're a rogue, you are going to have to outplay a pally to win. It doesn't mean that Ret's are OP. Ask rets how much they like fighting Frost/arcane mages (or even ask a warrior about that).
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Cleverly Disguised As A Responsible Adult! |
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quickbeam
Premium
join:2003-06-01
Ottawa
 ·Rogers Hi-Speed
 ·Bell Sympatico
| reply to Dandy
said by Dandy :Yah us ret pallies are overpowered, about damn time too! Enjoy it for the next 2 weeks |
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Kevlar
Kevlar
join:2008-02-19
Spartanburg, SC
| reply to SSX4life
I'll say it again....
...ahh the sweet sweet tears. Been playing Pally since release. Have three (all three specs)
Only have some decent pvp gear on the holy that I arenaed with but I always dreaded running up against some classes, especially rogues. Not so much because theyd just wipe me out, theyd get the jump. get a bunch of stacks of wound poison/sometimes mindnumbing as well and start pupping out damage. Until they got 5 combos on me it was fairly small damage I'll grant you but then it would be one large. And forget healing unbubbled. If they were halfway decent could lock you down, blind, kidney, gouge, kickm improved kick if you were unlucky. and just whittle you down unless you blew a stun for a heal and their trinket was on cd or you bubbled. Then if things were going bad for them and you didnt happen to have the right judge on them or cloak of skill was up they could just cloak, vanish and start the whole process again. They were like Vermin, hard to get rid of.
Now I go specifically hunting for them in bgs on my pallies (all of em even the pve geared tankadin)
I better soak up these tears while I can as an above poster said the party's less party like come 3.0.3 |
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drew
Reformation
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
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·wavebroadband
| reply to Lledwyn
said by Lledwyn :
As far as the ret nerfs, when 3.0.3 pops, you won't be seeing any more ret paladins out there. With a 37% crit damage reduction which will give them nothing for burst, they'll switch back to their other builds or their other OP classes.
You're an annoying whiner.
And for the second time, I'm going to ask you where the 37% crit damage reduction is coming from. |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com | Go read the 3.0.3 patch notes. They're up at worldofraids and on the World of Warcraft site.
And I'm truly sorry that you think that I'm an annoying whiner. Your opinion of me matters. |
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P Ness
You'Ve Forgotten 9-11 Already
Premium
join:2001-08-29
Mineola, NY
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said by SSX4life :Fu*king ridiculous .... I'm stunned from 100 to 0 and I even got the jump on the bastard. Full T6 with glaves (pve spec)... popped everything I got hammered / stunned a 2nd time / then dead. I'm sorry but last time I checked rogues were the stun class, and yes I know they are not balanced properly @ 70 but this is just crazy stupid. I get the jump on him and he is still at over 50% health. /sigh HAHA
this is classic....
only if i can cyclone you....and get you before you pop.....BAM 8K STARFIRE...STUN....MOONFIRE....PEW? |
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drew
Reformation
Premium
join:2002-07-10
Port Orchard, WA
clubs:
·wavebroadband
| reply to Lledwyn
I don't see anything in the notes that says "37% crit damage reduction" so, please, enlighten us.
The reason why you're an annoying prick happens to be because you post just like someone from the official forums. You're king of all and everyone else should bow before you. |
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dynodb
Premium,VIP
join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| reply to elboricua
said by elboricua :So a class that has been shit dps wise since they started suddenly gets a buff and everyone QQ's? My answer will be the same one rogues love to give people who QQ about them. Learn to deal with the changes. Ret pallies are not unbeatable, same as rogues are not unbeatable. Everyone will need to learn to deal and not cry for the nerf bat because you got roflpwned. It happens. Welcome the rock to the rogue scissor. It's not just rock scissor, it's 10 ton boulder vs plastic safety scissors. No one is complaining that rets got a buff, it's that the buff went too far.
For all the constant complaining about rogues since about S2, they can't take out a geared player in the space of a cheap shot or even a kidney shot. Neither should rets be able to take out geared players in the space of a HoJ. |
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Tehuno
join:2005-01-18
Bartlesville, OK
| reply to drew
the only people claiming ret isnt OP are paladins.
Which is understandable, no one wants to get hit with the nerfbat.
Biggest problem with them IMO, is almost everything being holy damage. command, divine storm(being changed) and hammer all being holy damage, takes what class they are beating on out of the picture, and that is retarded. it makes no sense to hit a clothie as hard as a feral druid with 35k armor.
good ret paladins are impossible to kill atm, bad ones will still burst you to hell and back, pray you are/have a healer and trinket the right thing at the right time, they can basically faceroll and kill you, the class takes 0 skill to kill people with. |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to drew
said by drew :I don't see anything in the notes that says "37% crit damage reduction" so, please, enlighten us. The reason why you're an annoying prick happens to be because you post just like someone from the official forums. You're king of all and everyone else should bow before you. Really. You're going to hurt my feelings. 
I'll post up the relevant links once I can get to a computer that will allow me to get to it. |
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Integrator
Rock of the Marne
Premium
join:2002-09-02
Keller, TX
| reply to drew
The WOW General forums are the worst thing since sliced bread. The dregs of humanity post there.
But on to a different subject. A retadin has far too many pro's and so few con's as to be laughable.
The only con I see as being ret is a gap closer. Of course, I have been hammered for a 3.5k hammer of wrath. Life is good as a retadin, but hopefully they can go back to being back what they should be, which is balanced.
I will say it again for emphasis.
NO CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IMMUNE, HAVE QUALITY HEALS, STUN, AND DISH THE DAMAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE.
This goes for all classes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not trying for balance and wants their class to be the king on the battlefield. |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to SSX4life
The biggest problem is that everyone still seems to think that PvP at 70 matters. Every class out there right now is OP in one way or another. And if you think that it's only ret paladins, you need to look around.
The patch makes everything unbalanced and if you don't think your class is unbalanced in one spec or another, then you're suffering from denial.
People are running around with L80 talent abilities right now. Blizzard changed the entire way that gear is itemized and spell damage/healing is handled. The spell coefficients have all changed. Wow pre 3.0 is NOT the game it was.
And, I'll say it again. What's happening at L70 right now is indicitive of absolutely nothing of what the game will be like at 80. |
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Lledwyn
@twinfallstitle.com
| reply to Integrator
said by Integrator :I will say it again for emphasis. NO CLASS SHOULD BE ABLE TO GO IMMUNE, HAVE QUALITY HEALS, STUN, AND DISH THE DAMAGE THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING DONE. I guess we better let Blizzard know that they need to take care of the druids... |
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Tehuno
join:2005-01-18
Bartlesville, OK | druids cant bubble and continue to attack people, pretty big difference. |
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