en102
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Re: ......and the propaganda begins
There's more than 'just' that.
WiMAX:
- Here now (limited areas)
- Large chunk of spectrum avaiable (2.5GHz) to Sprint
- Limited devices (currently)
- Few carriers
- Backing of a few large corporations: Intel/Sprint and chipmakers
LTE:
- Handset market GSM/UMTS and EVDO upgrade path (+3.5 billion devices in use today)
- Backed by most telecoms
- Global infrastructure
- No current devices
- No current buildout
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phoneboy3
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| Ummmm, your way off in a couple important ways. LTE is not a natural upgrade path for HSPA. HSPA core is traditional packet switched. LTE is IP core.
WiMAX is also IP core so you could just as easily migrate from HSPA to WiMAX. Actually WiMAX and LTE are VERY very similar. The most important differences are more political/business rather than technical.
LTE is designed by the telcos for the telcos to maintain as much control as possible in the telcos hands. The WiMAX standard is designed by IEEE who's mandate is all about technical merit first and foremost. WiMAX therefore put's more power in the users and device manufacturers hands, not the Telco's.
These are facts the Telco's don't want you to know. |
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cptmiles
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|  I agree. If the general public want to rage against the corporate machine...Wi-Max might possibly be the way.
This might be the first time in a long time small carriers following a standard protocol has a jump on the big guys.
It's my opinion that Wi-Max will evolve at least 3 times before LTE gets a sniff. |
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en102
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Very true that they are both IP based, however, do you expect the traditional 'MAP' core and roaming agreements to 'just disappear'. Handoffs between UMTS/HSPA and LTE will happen, just as EVDO VoIP to LTE will.
Telcos will attempt to have a 'natural' migration on handsets (whatever they may look like) to be able to handle UMTS/HSPA and LTE regardless of if its switched core or IP based.
WiMAX will be more of a open nature by being designed by IEEE, however, that does not mean that the corporations deploying it will be. It will not be 'WiFi' allowing the average user to set up a WiMAX base station for ~$50.
I do see WiMAX as having more available offerings that LTE will not dream of... but I do see that the +3.5 billion GSM/CDMA handsets not 'jumping' to WiMAX tomorrow either.
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jester121
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said by en102  :LTE: - Handset market GSM/UMTS and EVDO upgrade path (+3.5 billion devices in use today) What upgrade path? Throw out your existing one and buy a new one that works on the new network? That's not an upgrade.
Can I upgrade my 2005 Nissan to be a hybrid? |
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patcat88
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Jamaica, NY | reply to en102
Basic point is, LTE is compatible with provisioning/management/billing/CS/trouble ticket/monitoring/routing/roaming systems of GSM. |
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en102
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Lets see...most of the planet is covered by GSM/CDMA networks.
I can take my Samsung ZX-20 and use it on almost any network GSM based network on the planet and have service.
I can take a WiMAX device and use it in... parts of Baltimore.
Unless WiMAX devices are built as a dual function (i.e. with some other network to fall over to use), its coverage are is very small. Local fixed internet use... sure. Wireless mobile in busses, subways, hotspots, sure. Wireless handsets for many - not until coverage is built. If I'm going out of town.. I don't want to have to search for a WiFi connection at a starbucks to make a call because WiMAX hasn't built out yet. If they're going to build handsets, they'll have to have some form of fall back. Being Sprint, I'm sure its 1x/EVDO.
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