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nasadude

join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD

support from scofflaws?

it's funny how the NAB is enlisting the support of all the groups that illegally use unlicensed wireless mics.

of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would.



ArrayList
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said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...


ropeguru
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said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.

nasadude

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said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
naw, just dreaming.


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said by ropeguru:

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_···_of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!


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said by ropeguru:

Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
At least one of the candidates is being somewhat honest about the fact that his programs cost money and that to pay for them, he will have to raise taxes on the people who dodge most of their taxes anyway. McCain will just continue the last eight years of driving the government further into debt, as evidenced by the way he talks about his budget.

Just a side note, both of the candidates suck, so don't mistake me for Obama supporter.
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said by NetAdmin1:

said by ropeguru:

Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
At least one of the candidates is being somewhat honest about the fact that his programs cost money and that to pay for them, he will have to raise taxes on the people who dodge most of their taxes anyway. McCain will just continue the last eight years of driving the government further into debt, as evidenced by the way he talks about his budget.
But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.

said by NetAdmin1:

Just a side note, both of the candidates suck, so don't mistake me for Obama supporter.
Afraid I have to agree with you there. Can't we just vote none of the above and start over?


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said by ropeguru:

But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.
I have heard that claim made many times - that raising the tax rates on the PERSONAL incomes of CEOs, other overpaid execs and people with high incomes would result force companies to downsize - but have yet to see anyone prove that higher tax rates on PERSONAL income and unemployment rates are linked. I would believe high corporate tax rates might affect employment numbers, but not taxes on personal income.
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said by NetAdmin1:

said by ropeguru:

But the fact of the matter is that it will be raise don those that hire people to work for them. When this happens, it will just force more companies to downsize and move overseas which will kill the economy even more.
I have heard that claim made many times - that raising the tax rates on the PERSONAL incomes of CEOs, other overpaid execs and people with high incomes would result force companies to downsize - but have yet to see anyone prove that higher tax rates on PERSONAL income and unemployment rates are linked. I would believe high corporate tax rates might affect employment numbers, but not taxes on personal income.
I wasn't talking only about personal incomes. He stands to raise taxes and put other burdens directly on businesses too. That is where the issue will be in forcing them overseas.

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Want some cheese with that WHINE!!!!!



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said by ArrayList:

considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_···_of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!
You might someday if you ever end up working and paying taxes.
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clickie8

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reply to nasadude

They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing.


clickie8

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reply to ropeguru

As opposed to the system now of redistributing wealth from people yet unborn to people living now.

That's exactly why deficits matter.

You're naive if you think your taxes are not going up; there's trillions of dollars to be paid back. Where do you think the money is going to come from? You, that's who. They'll get it two ways by either taxing you directly, or inflating the money supply and stealth taxing you through inflation.



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said by nasadude:

of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would.
How does broadband compete with the NAB members' FREE, AD-SUPPORTED service? They are genuinely concerned with interference and loss of spectrum, and with good reason.

As far as widespread, affordable broadband goes, this will only be it if you define broadband as wireless dialup. At best it will be a much larger area version of an open WiFi point on a university campus. It will have thousands of users crowded onto a few dozen Mb of available bandwidth. At worst, it will be another overcrowded WiFi with more range (bad), with everyone using it to try to create private links to their office, their buddy's house, etc.

And if the cheap devices don't interfere right out of the box (likely), hackers will see to it that they do by using high-gain antennas, boosting power and forcing operation on interfering channels.

WiMAX is far better, capable of serving broadband to all users and can serve the same purpose WSDs supposedly will.

WSDs have too much likelihood of causing unsolvable problems; we CANNOT allow them.
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callihn

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said by ArrayList:

considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_···_of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on!
Interesting, I was thinking that instead of raising taxes we could just make some of these sorry, so called disabled people and some of these lazy adults hiding in school ( that don't know how to use apostrophes ) get out and go to work and contribute to society, instead of just sitting around sucking it dry, then we wouldn't have to ever raise taxes. Since I'm neither I think that would be a grand solution!


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said by ropeguru:

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
Unlike McCain right? I mean in order to give people too "poor" to get their own health insurance a $5000 government check for health insurance he's going to tax the insurance premiums of those that currently get their insurance through their job. Not only is that redistributing wealth it's also a tax hike on WORKING Americans. But go ahead and bash Obama.


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said by clickie8:

They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing.
Incorrect. Part 15 specifically excludes the TV bands. Microphones in the TV bands technically require a license, which the FCC has not been enforcing because no one complains.

Their very narrow bandwidth signal, low power, the facts that (up until DTV) it was easy to set them to an unused channel and they aren't generally used in residential areas, all mean TV interference was minimal.

None of this is true of WSDs except the low power (until the WSD is hacked, amplified or connected to a high-gain antenna).
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said by 88615298:

But go ahead and bash Obama.
Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right.


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said by clickie8:

They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing.
Clickie, these conflicting mics aren't the Part 15 wireless mics. These are the ones lower in the spectrum that do require licenses -- and some operators do have them, but many do not.
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knightmb
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reply to ropeguru

said by ropeguru:

said by ArrayList:

said by nasadude:

...widespread, affordable broadband...
what? you have to be kidding...
Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all.
Ha, taken right from the Republican spin machine, well copied/pasted

Republican tax plan would make more sense if they also included a top level tax CPA for free that would do your taxes every year. Somehow I don't think top companies or private business that make enough to be affected are really worried about the tax increase that much.
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Me too with my Icon.



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said by MrMoody:

said by nasadude:

of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would.
How does broadband compete with the NAB members' FREE, AD-SUPPORTED service?
If you don't think that the Internet competes with broadcast TV for time and attention, then you're starting the game hopelessly lost.

said by MrMoody:

They are genuinely concerned with interference and loss of spectrum, and with good reason.
?

said by MrMoody:

As far as widespread, affordable broadband goes, this will only be it if you define broadband as wireless dialup. At best it will be a much larger area version of an open WiFi point on a university campus. It will have thousands of users crowded onto a few dozen Mb of available bandwidth. At worst, it will be another overcrowded WiFi with more range (bad), with everyone using it to try to create private links to their office, their buddy's house, etc.
At worst. At best it works great!

said by MrMoody:

And if the cheap devices don't interfere right out of the box (likely), hackers will see to it that they do by using high-gain antennas, boosting power and forcing operation on interfering channels.
I can't say this won't happen sometimes, but by and large people will buy a cheap device and it will either work or not work. Only a teenie-tiny portion have the knowledge or desire to spend significant time and effort on it.

said by MrMoody:

WiMAX is far better, capable of serving broadband to all users and can serve the same purpose WSDs supposedly will.
This is not a choice between WiMAX and WSD.

said by MrMoody:

WSDs have too much likelihood of causing unsolvable problems; we CANNOT allow them.
Sure we can. We allowed cordless phones, and they generally worked. They even worked in several different modes. They even worked even though hackers could modify them.

You're spreading worry.
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knightmb
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said by ropeguru:

I wasn't talking only about personal incomes. He stands to raise taxes and put other burdens directly on businesses too. That is where the issue will be in forcing them overseas.
Spin on words, you forgot that the raise on taxes for business can be offset by keeping jobs here, good health insurance for employees, and many other tax breaks/perks for the business that would be in the same tax plan, etc. All of which their Accountant/Tax CPA will know about and certainly use come tax time. You should really read in depth of what both candidates want to do because you are just taking one part "he's going to raise taxes" and applying the chicken little sky falling effect to it.
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said by ropeguru:

said by 88615298:

But go ahead and bash Obama.
Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right.
Your right to be ignorant of the facts. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but if you insist calling out Obama you better look at YOUR candidate because he isn't any different despite WTF he says. George Bush Sr said in 1988 "read my lips, no new taxes" them promptly raised them anyways. So sorry if I take McCain's BS with a grain of salt.


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TOPIC: Dolly Parton Hates White Space Broadband



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said by knightmb:

Ha, taken right from the Republican spin machine, well copied/pasted

Republican tax plan would make more sense if they also included a top level tax CPA for free that would do your taxes every year. Somehow I don't think top companies or private business that make enough to be affected are really worried about the tax increase that much.
Obama = tax and spend
McCain = borrow from China with interest and spend.


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said by 88615298:

said by ropeguru:

said by 88615298:

But go ahead and bash Obama.
Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right.
Your right to be ignorant of the facts. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but if you insist calling out Obama you better look at YOUR candidate because he isn't any different despite WTF he says. George Bush Sr said in 1988 "read my lips, no new taxes" them promptly raised them anyways. So sorry if I take McCain's BS with a grain of salt.
That is why Obama is letting all the current tax cuts Bush put in place expire. So I guess some are right as he will not be raising taxes. Another spin on words WhooHoo!!!


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said by funchords:

If you don't think that the Internet competes with broadcast TV for time and attention, then you're starting the game hopelessly lost.
You can't seriously think that a new wireless internet is going to take many eyes away from broadcast that aren't already on the internet some other way.
At worst. At best it works great!
There's no way it CAN "work great," it's physically impossible. It's a poorly thought out model being rammed through by companies who think they can make a killing with wide-area hotspots (maybe) and PAY portable wireless service (definitely). It doesn't have enough bandwidth available to serve the area it would cover with any reasonable broadband.
I can't say this won't happen sometimes, but by and large people will buy a cheap device and it will either work or not work. Only a teenie-tiny portion have the knowledge or desire to spend significant time and effort on it.
It only takes 1 guy in the right spot to cause a problem for someone else, a problem they shouldn't by all rights have to have, and with DTV won't even likely suspect the source of his trouble.

How many cantennas do you think are out there being used to steal WiFi? And they had to build that antenna, with WSD they will be able to walk into Radio Shack and buy a $40 yagi. It also only takes 1 hacker to hack the firmware and release it, then every pirate wannabe on the internet has it with NO effort.
This is not a choice between WiMAX and WSD.
Says you. They both will provide the same service (or so the WIA claims: this is a lie of course), but WiMAX can do it much better without destroying free TV.
Sure we can. We allowed cordless phones, and they generally worked. They even worked in several different modes. They even worked even though hackers could modify them.
Cordless phones are much harder to hack than a computer network device (hardware vs soft/firmware), they aren't operating in the TV bands and there's not much incentive for anyone to boost the signal. Apples to oranges. WiFi already runs in some of the cordless phone bands. WiFi is hacked routinely. Luckily (or rather due to existing rules putting them where they are in the spectrum), they don't cause problems with other services, only each other.
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amigo_boy

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said by nasadude:

it's funny how the NAB is enlisting the support of all the groups that illegally use unlicensed wireless mics.
What I think is funny is that it's supposed to be persuasive that a small, niche use should stand in the way of widespread public benefit.

I understand it's subject to debate whether whitespace broadband will be widespread. But, the potential is that it could benefit every household. That's hard to compare to a relative handful of people with a special use.

Mark

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Watch what you say about "so called" disabled people especially in responding to a post from a self described disabled vet. For what ever reason he's a DV, they pay a lot more than any tax can do by serving in the military.. which by the way, has protected your rights to spout off like an ass as you did. Served in the military have you? (Please don't answer yes.. I already know the answer because you wouldn't have posted such trash even though I DO agree on you with point about lazy adults.)

And mods, trust me, I'm being VERY nice on this one and biting my tongue as a Iraq War 1 vet.