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Re: support from scofflaws?
Unless you're in 49 MHz or 900 MHz or 2.4 GHz, you are required to have a license. That's a big part of this flap up is the wide belief that you don't need one (about a thousand have been issued).
A couple of stories .... »www.usatoday.com/news/washington···43_x.htm »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···use.html |
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xyar
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Every professional wireless microphone system I've seen is at or below the FCC limit for unlicensed broadcasting, which in that case I think is 50 mW. They're completely legal unless someone has jacked up the output above the manufactured threshold. |
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Re: support from scofflaws?
thanks for the post brother. |
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said by callihn  :said by bender :considering that I don't pay income taxes(disabled vet pulling disability while I go to school on the post 9/11 GI bill » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-9/11_···_of_2008) i dont give a rats ass about raising taxes. so if thats what it takes to get more competition in the broadband markets then by all means bring it on! Interesting, I was thinking that instead of raising taxes we could just make some of these sorry, so called disabled people and some of these lazy adults hiding in school ( that don't know how to use apostrophes ) get out and go to work and contribute to society, instead of just sitting around sucking it dry, then we wouldn't have to ever raise taxes. Since I'm neither I think that would be a grand solution! i would've thought that serving 8 years in the military with 6 of them being deployed I'd deserve some time off. forgive me for not going right into blue collar work. I kind of want to get into the white collar field myself(hence the college). I will be working. someday. If more people went to college, served, either public office or military, and then went to work we'd have a far more intelligent workforce, probably even more technically skilled.
Giving someone a hard time for going to college is such a bastardly thing to do. |
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BINGO!!!!! Give that man a CIGAR!!!!! |
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Watch what you say about "so called" disabled people especially in responding to a post from a self described disabled vet. For what ever reason he's a DV, they pay a lot more than any tax can do by serving in the military.. which by the way, has protected your rights to spout off like an ass as you did. Served in the military have you? (Please don't answer yes.. I already know the answer because you wouldn't have posted such trash even though I DO agree on you with point about lazy adults.)
And mods, trust me, I'm being VERY nice on this one and biting my tongue as a Iraq War 1 vet. |
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said by nasadude :it's funny how the NAB is enlisting the support of all the groups that illegally use unlicensed wireless mics. What I think is funny is that it's supposed to be persuasive that a small, niche use should stand in the way of widespread public benefit.
I understand it's subject to debate whether whitespace broadband will be widespread. But, the potential is that it could benefit every household. That's hard to compare to a relative handful of people with a special use.
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said by funchords :If you don't think that the Internet competes with broadcast TV for time and attention, then you're starting the game hopelessly lost. You can't seriously think that a new wireless internet is going to take many eyes away from broadcast that aren't already on the internet some other way.
At worst. At best it works great! There's no way it CAN "work great," it's physically impossible. It's a poorly thought out model being rammed through by companies who think they can make a killing with wide-area hotspots (maybe) and PAY portable wireless service (definitely). It doesn't have enough bandwidth available to serve the area it would cover with any reasonable broadband.
I can't say this won't happen sometimes, but by and large people will buy a cheap device and it will either work or not work. Only a teenie-tiny portion have the knowledge or desire to spend significant time and effort on it. It only takes 1 guy in the right spot to cause a problem for someone else, a problem they shouldn't by all rights have to have, and with DTV won't even likely suspect the source of his trouble.
How many cantennas do you think are out there being used to steal WiFi? And they had to build that antenna, with WSD they will be able to walk into Radio Shack and buy a $40 yagi. It also only takes 1 hacker to hack the firmware and release it, then every pirate wannabe on the internet has it with NO effort.
This is not a choice between WiMAX and WSD. Says you. They both will provide the same service (or so the WIA claims: this is a lie of course), but WiMAX can do it much better without destroying free TV.
Sure we can. We allowed cordless phones, and they generally worked. They even worked in several different modes. They even worked even though hackers could modify them. Cordless phones are much harder to hack than a computer network device (hardware vs soft/firmware), they aren't operating in the TV bands and there's not much incentive for anyone to boost the signal. Apples to oranges. WiFi already runs in some of the cordless phone bands. WiFi is hacked routinely. Luckily (or rather due to existing rules putting them where they are in the spectrum), they don't cause problems with other services, only each other.
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said by BF69 :said by ropeguru :said by BF69 :But go ahead and bash Obama. Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right.  Your right to be ignorant of the facts. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but if you insist calling out Obama you better look at YOUR candidate because he isn't any different despite WTF he says. George Bush Sr said in 1988 "read my lips, no new taxes" them promptly raised them anyways. So sorry if I take McCain's BS with a grain of salt. That is why Obama is letting all the current tax cuts Bush put in place expire. So I guess some are right as he will not be raising taxes. Another spin on words WhooHoo!!! |
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said by knightmb :Ha, taken right from the Republican spin machine, well copied/pasted  Republican tax plan would make more sense if they also included a top level tax CPA for free that would do your taxes every year. Somehow I don't think top companies or private business that make enough to be affected are really worried about the tax increase that much.  Obama = tax and spend
McCain = borrow from China with interest and spend. |
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TOPIC: Dolly Parton Hates White Space Broadband |
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said by ropeguru :said by BF69 :But go ahead and bash Obama. Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right. Your right to be ignorant of the facts. I'm not even an Obama supporter, but if you insist calling out Obama you better look at YOUR candidate because he isn't any different despite WTF he says. George Bush Sr said in 1988 "read my lips, no new taxes" them promptly raised them anyways. So sorry if I take McCain's BS with a grain of salt. |
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said by ropeguru :I wasn't talking only about personal incomes. He stands to raise taxes and put other burdens directly on businesses too. That is where the issue will be in forcing them overseas. Spin on words, you forgot that the raise on taxes for business can be offset by keeping jobs here, good health insurance for employees, and many other tax breaks/perks for the business that would be in the same tax plan, etc. All of which their Accountant/Tax CPA will know about and certainly use come tax time. You should really read in depth of what both candidates want to do because you are just taking one part "he's going to raise taxes" and applying the chicken little sky falling effect to it.
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said by MrMoody :said by nasadude :of course the people using wireless mics don't pose a threat to NAB's business like widespread, affordable broadband would. How does broadband compete with the NAB members' FREE, AD-SUPPORTED service? If you don't think that the Internet competes with broadcast TV for time and attention, then you're starting the game hopelessly lost.
said by MrMoody :They are genuinely concerned with interference and loss of spectrum, and with good reason. ?
said by MrMoody :As far as widespread, affordable broadband goes, this will only be it if you define broadband as wireless dialup. At best it will be a much larger area version of an open WiFi point on a university campus. It will have thousands of users crowded onto a few dozen Mb of available bandwidth. At worst, it will be another overcrowded WiFi with more range (bad), with everyone using it to try to create private links to their office, their buddy's house, etc. At worst. At best it works great!
said by MrMoody :And if the cheap devices don't interfere right out of the box (likely), hackers will see to it that they do by using high-gain antennas, boosting power and forcing operation on interfering channels. I can't say this won't happen sometimes, but by and large people will buy a cheap device and it will either work or not work. Only a teenie-tiny portion have the knowledge or desire to spend significant time and effort on it.
said by MrMoody :WiMAX is far better, capable of serving broadband to all users and can serve the same purpose WSDs supposedly will. This is not a choice between WiMAX and WSD.
said by MrMoody : WSDs have too much likelihood of causing unsolvable problems; we CANNOT allow them. Sure we can. We allowed cordless phones, and they generally worked. They even worked in several different modes. They even worked even though hackers could modify them.
You're spreading worry.
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Me too with my Icon. |
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said by ropeguru :said by bender :said by nasadude :...widespread, affordable broadband... what? you have to be kidding... Not at all... Once Obama is elected, taxes will go up so he can redistribute wealth bring broadband to all. Ha, taken right from the Republican spin machine, well copied/pasted
Republican tax plan would make more sense if they also included a top level tax CPA for free that would do your taxes every year. Somehow I don't think top companies or private business that make enough to be affected are really worried about the tax increase that much.
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said by clickie :They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing. Clickie, these conflicting mics aren't the Part 15 wireless mics. These are the ones lower in the spectrum that do require licenses -- and some operators do have them, but many do not.
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said by BF69 :But go ahead and bash Obama. Thank you. I will exercise my First Amendment right. |
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said by clickie :They are not illegal. These are Part-15 devices and require no licensing. Incorrect. Part 15 specifically excludes the TV bands. Microphones in the TV bands technically require a license, which the FCC has not been enforcing because no one complains.
Their very narrow bandwidth signal, low power, the facts that (up until DTV) it was easy to set them to an unused channel and they aren't generally used in residential areas, all mean TV interference was minimal.
None of this is true of WSDs except the low power (until the WSD is hacked, amplified or connected to a high-gain antenna).
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