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| Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship From The Herald Sun October 29, 2008 - quote: AUSTRALIA will join China in implementing mandatory censoring of the internet under plans put forward by the Federal Government.
The revelations emerge as US tech giants Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, and a coalition of human rights and other groups unveiled a code of conduct aimed at safeguarding online freedom of speech and privacy.
The government has declared it will not let internet users opt out of the proposed national internet filter.
The plan was first created as a way to combat child pronography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia.
Communications minister Stephen Conroy revealed the mandatory censorship to the Senate estimates committee as the Global Network Initiative, bringing together leading companies, human rights organisations, academics and investors, committed the technology firms to "protect the freedom of expression and privacy rights of their users".
Mr Conroy said trials were yet to be carried out, but "we are talking about mandatory blocking, where possible, of illegal material."
The net nanny proposal was originally going to allow Australians who wanted uncensored access to the web the option of contacting their internet service provider to be excluded from the service.
Human Rights Watch has condemned internet censorship, and argued to the US Senate "there is a real danger of a Virtual Curtain dividing the internet, much as the Iron Curtain did during the Cold War, because some governments fear the potential of the internet, (and) want to control it"
Groups including the System Administrators Guild of Australia and Electronic Frontiers Australia have attacked the proposal, saying it would unfairly restrict Australians' access to the web, slow internet speeds and raise the price of internet access.
EFA board member Colin Jacobs said it would have little effect on illegal internet content, including child pornography, as it would not cover file-sharing networks.
"If the Government would actually come out and say we're only targeting child pornography it would be a different debate," he said.
The technology companies' move, which follows criticism that the companies were assisting censorship of the internet in nations such as China, requires them to narrowly interpret government requests for information or censorship and to fight to minimise cooperation.
The initiative provides a systematic approach to "work together in resisting efforts by governments that seek to enlist companies in acts of censorship and surveillance that violate international standards", the participants said.
In a statement, Yahoo co-founder and chief executive Jerry Yang welcomed the new code of conduct.
"These principles provide a valuable roadmap for companies like Yahoo operating in markets where freedom of expression and privacy are unfairly restricted," he said.
"Yahoo was founded on the belief that promoting access to information can enrich people's lives, and the principles we unveil today reflect our determination that our actions match our values around the world."
Yahoo was thrust into the forefront of the online rights issue after the Californian company helped Chinese police identify cyber dissidents whose supposed crime was expressing their views online.
China exercises strict control over the internet, blocking sites linked to Chinese dissidents, the outlawed Falun Gong spiritual movement, the Tibetan government-in-exile and those with information on the 1989 Tiananmen massacre.
A number of US companies, including Microsoft, Cisco, Google and Yahoo, have been hauled before the US Congress in recent years and accused of complicity in building the "Great Firewall of China".
The Australian Christian Lobby, however, has welcomed the proposals.
Managing director Jim Wallace said the measures were needed.
"The need to prevent access to illegal hard-core material and child pornography must be placed above the industry's desire for unfettered access," Mr Wallace said.
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join:2008-09-04 73368 | Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship It's coming to the U.S. next. Just wait..... | |
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| said by SUMware :From The Herald SunOctober 29, 2008 - quote: The government has declared it will not let internet users opt out of the proposed national internet filter.
The plan was first created as a way to combat child pronography and adult content, but could be extended to include controversial websites on euthanasia or anorexia.
This kind of talk and posturing by our so-called governments makes me very nervous..... And who determines what is 'controversial' anyway? Oh thats right, our loving government does. They would never harm us, would they? | |
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| said by SUMware :From The Herald SunOctober 29, 2008 - quote: AUSTRALIA will join China in implementing mandatory censoring of the internet under plans put forward by the Federal Government.
The revelations emerge as US tech giants Google, Microsoft and Yahoo, and a coalition of human rights and other groups unveiled a code of conduct aimed at safeguarding online freedom of speech and privacy.
Those two paragraphs would appear to be at odds with each other . . . . quote: The Australian Christian Lobby, however, has welcomed the proposals.
Uh-oh. That's all I need to hear-- put me down for 'strongly against'. | |
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1 edit | More details from The Courier Mail October 28, 2008 - quote: New internet filter imposed on all web surfers
Australian internet users will be subjected to the new nationwide World Wide Web filter, whether they want to participate in the scheme or not.
Web users will only be able to opt out of a secondary layer of internet censorship affecting adults-only material under the revised plan and both web filters will apply by default.
The admission, aired in the Senate last week, has been slammed by civil liberties and internet groups, who brand the change a "creeping" and "unprecedented" attack on personal freedom.
The Federal Government announced its ambitious web censorship plan in December 2007, committing $44.2 million and four years.
The filter was due to be implemented by internet service providers, such as Telstra BigPond and OptusNet, who would block inappropriate material as determined the Australian Communications and Media Authority (ACMA).
Following the announcements, ACMA conducted a laboratory trial of six internet software filters, reporting in June that the software had improved in accuracy and speed since a 2005 survey, but still had significant problems.
The six software filters slowed the speed of internet access down by at least 2 per cent and as much as 87 per cent, the report found. Filters also unnecessarily blocked access to between 1 and 8 per cent of legitimate sites - a glitch that would significantly restrict web access.
Despite these issues, Senator Conroy told a Senate Estimates Committee last week that the Government was now pursuing "live" trials of internet filters. Large and small internet service providers will be asked to participate by testing different filtering technology - hardware and software - on web-surfing volunteers.
Conroy says the live trials will be designed to "ensure that we do not have the impact that some wild claims make", although he admits the Government has not set benchmarks for what is an acceptable level of "overblocking" or unnecessarily banning websites.
The live trials are due to begin before the end of the year, with results due early next year.
Internet Industry Association chief executive Peter Coroneos says some ISPs are keen to participate in the trials as "they want to know for themselves what the issues are and they want to provide some quality input back to the Government on what the real issues are".
Senator Conroy says the Australian internet filter will block access to some sites for all Australian internet users, canning the option to opt out.
"We are talking about mandatory blocking, where possible, of illegal material," he says.
"We are in the early stages, but we are looking at two tiers: mandatory (blocking) of illegal material and an option for families to get a clean feed service if they wish.
"In terms of the policy, what we are investigating is whether it is possible to ensure that people can opt out of an ISP filter if they wanted to look at material that is legal, as opposed to not allowing an opt-out for material that is illegal."
Senator Conroy says guidelines for banned material in both tiers is yet to be determined, with controversial subjects such as euthanasia and pro-anorexia websites falling into grey legal areas.
Electronic Frontiers Association board member Colin Jacobs says this lack of information over which material will be banned is one of several concerns the civil liberties group has with the Government's proposal.
Mr Jacobs says the "creeping scope" of the internet filter was a serious cause for concern and would mean that any internet speed decrease as a result of the scheme would be felt by all Australian internet users.
It is a concern echoed by the System Administrators Guild of Australia, who argue that the scheme will increase the cost of internet access as ISPs pass on the cost of filtering websites.
SAGE president Donna Ashelford says the scheme will also fail to filter two-thirds of internet traffic, much of which is carried over peer-to-peer networks such as BitTorrent.
"Aside from the commercial and technical impact such legislation will have on a variety of sectors within the IT industry in Australia, technical Band-aids are invariably ineffective in addressing the root causes of social problems," Ashelford says.
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The Land Of Oz pulling this......good golly Ms Molly....I am sincerely shocked ! I would expect it the U.S. but not in OZ...WoW ! Aussies are some of the nicest people in the world....straight forward.....with a love of freedom......an now this . Only the most feeble minded don't realize how much monitoring already goes on. But oh wait....could this actually be placing a "Cap" on internet useage ? Restricting P2P ? Look at the Players behind this...who the hell are they to dictate Rules Of The Internet. An who will be burnt the most...the innocent non-savy internet users. ________________________________________________
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| IT World Canada 28 Oct 2008 - quote: In Australia's muddy Internet waters, you don't know what's being filtered
An Australian law expert has warned that under the government's proposed mandatory Internet content filtering scheme Australians will have no way of finding out what "illegal" content has been censored and blocked online,
The warning comes as Greens party Senator Scott Ludlam voiced concern over Communications minister Stephen Conroy's ambiguity regarding exactly what content will or won't be blocked, and who will be able to opt-out of the filtering.
Conroy's mandatory Internet filtering proposal caused a stir last week when it was revealed a member of his department had tried to censor severely critical comments made on the Whirlpool broadband forum by an Internode network engineer regarding the merits of ISP level filtering.
Graham Bassett is a barrister at Byron Bar Chambers and has taught Internet Law at Queensland University of Technology. Bassett told Computerworld Australia that under current non-digital censorship laws a schedule of content that has been censored is made available to the public. However no such freedom of information will be available for public access to monitor what is censored and blocked under the government's mandatory Internet filtering scheme.
Bassett pointed to a Freedom of Information (FOI) application lodged by the Electronic Frontiers Association (EFA) in February 2000 to obtain information about Internet content that had been the subject of a complaint to the then Australian Broadcasting Authority (now ACMA) under Internet censorship laws that came into force on January 1, 2000.
EFA chair Dale Clapperton told the magazine that the government refused to provide that information and the Administrative Appeals Tribunal accepted the government's argument that making that information public would undermine its work with international law enforcement agencies.
"The government at some stage along the way actually amended the Freedom of Information Act to say that this type of information could not be FOI'd," Clapperton said, warning that the ramifications of that ruling mean the list of Web sites put on Conroy's proposed blacklist will not be accessible to the public.
"We're not permitted to know what is on it - essentially we have to take their word for it. That was bad before when the blacklist was just being provided to manufacturers of filtering software, but now that the government is proposing to block access to everything on that blacklist by every Australian, it is unspeakably bad."
Bassett confirmed that Australians will have no recourse to determine what has been blocked, once it is on the blacklist. "If you have a situation where what is being banned is never made public, then how do we know that there hasn't been an extension beyond material which infringes censorship publication, for example a political party or some people that might be defined as a terrorist organization? The content becomes based upon whatever might be the whims of the people controlling those filters and the services that report to the filters," he said.
Bassett said the EFA's unsuccessful bid to access the ABA's list of banned online content under FOI laws means that particular legal avenue to establish what falls under mandatory filtering is a no through road. Australians, he reminded, have no explicit freedom of speech within the constitution.
"There are cases under the constitution where for example there is freedom of speech in relation to political expression, and that's been held in a number of cases. For example, in the future if you did find or were able to get evidence showing that some political group has been added to these filters, particularly at the ISP level that never gets seen by people, there might be some room for challenge there. But if those filters don't get published, how will you ever know?"
Bassett said the term "illegal" in an online context is ambiguous, where child pornography, defamatory material or content that violates copyright infringement could all be considered "illegal" content.
Clapperton warned that we are already seeing special interest groups pressuring the government to add so-called "illegal" content to the blacklist. "[Independent Senator Nick] Xenophon has said he wants to block access to Internet gambling sites because they are supposedly illegal; the copyright holders will want to block access to all the Web sites on their sh** list; the Muslim lobby groups will probably want to block access to the Catch The Fire Christian Ministries because they are inciting racial hatred; the Jewish lobby groups will want to block access to Frederick Tobin, any other holocaust-denying Web sites and Hamas; and the Family First Senator [Steve] Fielding has said he wants to block access to "pro-anorexia" Web sites.
"Every organization with an axe to grind and any kind of political clout will be lobbying the government to extend the blacklist to block access to whatever it is that pisses them off. They don't even tell the operators of a site that it has been blacklisted, which as a practical matter means there is no appeal for these decisions. In the case of a false positive it is really dependent on somebody discovering it by chance," he said.
Greens Senator Scott Ludlam grilled Senator Conroy during a Senate Estimates hearing last week over the details of what will be considered "illegal" under the filtering scheme, and what level of filtering users will be able to opt-out of. "I'm no clearer than I was before the conversation I had with the Minister last week. What I think they are trying to do is have two levels: One level where everything which is "illegal" would be blocked, and there would be a less restrictive list of material that would be automatically blocked and you can opt-out of that. I don't think they are all that clear themselves how that is going to be technically possible," he told Computerworld.
Ludlam questioned Conroy's comparison of Australia as following other countries such as the U.K., Canada and New Zealand where filtering of blacklist material had been introduced. "It got really muddy around the subject of what other countries were doing, and what would be considered mandatory and what would be opt-out. He really muddied the waters on the countries that they are trying to compare us to. My understanding is not a single one of them has instituted or even seriously tried to institute mandatory content blocking. As far as I am aware they are all trialling optional content blocking," he said.
"None of them are really having a proper go at mandatory filtering. When you look at the countries that are attempting mandatory filtering of "illegal" content on the Net, it's a very different set of countries: China, Burma, the UAE and other places."
One gaping chink in Conroy's filtering armor is its inability to block data transferred over peer-to-peer networks, which is estimated to account for upwards of 60 per cent of all Internet traffic.
Ludlam believes Conroy's lack of clarity over what will and won't be blocked can be attributed to the government still being at the early stage of trialling the filtering technology, which also explains why no path has yet been set for the mandatory filtering to make its way into legislation.
"My understanding is that the tests they have conducted to date weren't all that promising; I don't think they know for themselves exactly how this is going to work. My personal opinion is that it's probably going to fail, and if it doesn't fail it's going to be dangerous. In the meantime we should really be spending the money that they are putting towards this on old fashioned law enforcement, and on the education programs that we already have," he said.
"I'm all for opt-in blocking. If parents want to be able to choose the level of protection in their own homes or if people just basically don't want to run the risk of being exposed to objectionable material they should be given world-class opt-in provisions."
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| Once the systems are in place, debugged, and functioning, then filtering of anything can simply be done on the basis of adding another applique or list of filtering parameters... regardless of the nature of that filtering.
Worldwide, we keep on permitting these shackles to be designed, tested, proofed, and installed (perhaps loosely at first). And yet we'll still be suprised when they're tightened, and we can do nothing to remedy it - particularly if we're asleep and unaware of the tightening. But one day, we'll wake to find our ability to exchange information of ANY kind will be enslaved, subject to the whims of the state.
Human history 101 --
Since the dawn of human history... - Lesson #1: any power and means to enslave people, in whatever forms, will always be exercised someday by somebody in authority for some reason. - Lesson #2: it's always easier to prevent the chains of enslavement from being created and put in place than to remove them after they're around one's wrists and lives. - Lesson #3: mankind simply will not learn from lessons #1 and #2 taught to earlier peoples. -- If God wanted us to work with electrons, He'd make them big enough to see... | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by Blackbird :Once the systems are in place, debugged, and functioning, then filtering of anything can simply be done on the basis of adding another applique or list of filtering parameters... regardless of the nature of that filtering. exactly, not only will we not know what these self-serving interests have filtered, but whats worse, we wont know that we dont know.......hence falsely believing that the internet is 'free' and 'unrestricted'. | |
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| Whoaaaaaa, hold that buggy.....whats this..related:
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" deep packet inspection solution from a company named Brilliant Digital. The technology would analyze user packets, comparing transmitted user data to a master database of illegal content. The entertainment industry has been using the threat of child porn as a gateway toward forcing ISPs to act as content nannies, and Brilliant's solution is a major front-runner for the honor. The system, which begins trials this week in ""Australia,"" is being touted as an anti-piracy cure-all """""""
»New ISP Snooping Tech Doesn't Work With BitTorrent | |
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| You can't help but think this will become one of those "We attempted to help", but failed in the approach ideas that the rest of us have to deal with. Look at piracy, file sharing if you have to (but seeing as legal licences can be bought for software that does this, it seems pointless there) or spam or half the other things that need attention, including getting at least ADSL2+ to everyone. I hear Telstra are looking at finally releasing the network.
Hopefully, if it is implemented, they approach it with a theory, a filtered limited service while still having a choice for full blown use. I could see the kids in the world benefiting from this approach of limited viewing, schools etc there isn't a problem.
What the cost would be though with an over priced system already here, who knows. 10 mill wouldn't cover half the hardware/software needed to continue it on after purchase, let alone cover the initial outlay. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by ilago :The same thing could be used to protect children at the local PC. Indeed NetAlert is available as a free download from the Governement website for this purpose. This is not an opt-out service. Under the current proposal all "illegal" content, mostly X and R rated porn will be filtered for all adults as a mandatory requirement. The only advantage to that would be the infected advertising servers out there throwing pron at us won't.
said by ilago :There is no opt-out from the main filter.  The escalation of this mandatory filtering is entirely political and relates to the balance of power in the Senate which is held by non major parties and neither party on its own can win a vote through the senate. The ISP filter is a condition of getting support from one of these independents. Poor excuse for secret censorship regimes. There is no publication of what is censored  There is a Cyber Safety Working Group that includes Microsoft, Google, ISP bodies, various church groups, public servants. There is no representative for consumers or civil liberties groups. Reminds me of my early days reading motorbike mags and the topics on doctors/govt/volvo putting together plans for the future of the car industry and what was deemed needed for us. I belieive that manual is the Larousse_Gastronomique of the govt nowdays.
said by ilago :There's a lot of resistance. Quite a lot of coverage in the mainstream media as well as forums and the blogosphere. Newspaper and radio on line polls are showing almost consistently that more than 80% of consumers do not want secret censorship introduced. Quite rightly so, forcing something of this magnitude is going to stir quite a few people up if it is forced. In the news articles, there was a light humour on communism, how funny democracy/communism seems to not be the cold war it used to be.
Thanks for the link. 50 pages and growing strong, might take a bit to read but a short look sounds like this is pissing off the joe public. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke | |
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| said by ilago :There's a lot of resistance. Quite a lot of coverage in the mainstream media as well as forums and the blogosphere. Newspaper and radio on line polls are showing almost consistently that more than 80% of consumers do not want secret censorship introduced. I wonder how many of the 80% have taken the time to call/write/email their local elected government official and convey their opinion and perhaps how this will be a MAJOR factor next election as its funny how much influence that can have.
I'm not sure how the 'state' can be such a evil thing when the citizens of the state elect it (and if you don't like your choices then run for office and be that choice). Perhaps with percentages of voting public on the decrease, they get the state they didn't bother to vote for and then ultimately perhaps deserve?
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by Link Logger :said by ilago :There's a lot of resistance. Quite a lot of coverage in the mainstream media as well as forums and the blogosphere. Newspaper and radio on line polls are showing almost consistently that more than 80% of consumers do not want secret censorship introduced. I wonder how many of the 80% have taken the time to call/write/email their local elected government official and convey their opinion and perhaps how this will be a MAJOR factor next election as its funny how much influence that can have. I'm not sure how the 'state' can be such a evil thing when the citizens of the state elect it (and if you don't like your choices then run for office and be that choice). Perhaps with percentages of voting public on the decrease, they get the state they didn't bother to vote for and then ultimately perhaps deserve? Blake At the moment, I believe very few of those 80% have wrote to their Member of Parliament. Most probably think that the government would never be stupid enough to implement, and the rest think it will be blocked in the Senate.
I do know that a lot of technical people (mainly from whirlpool) have been writing letters and trying to raise awareness | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by Khaine : Most probably think that the government would never be stupid enough to implement. Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the government. -- "In the future, that which is not mandatory will be illegal" | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by Its a Secret :said by Khaine : Most probably think that the government would never be stupid enough to implement. Never, ever underestimate the stupidity of the government. Oh, I agree. The Rudd government has already shown its incompetence with its handling of bank deposits. However I do believe the above does indicate the feeling for the majority of people within the 80% | |
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1 edit | said by Link Logger :said by ilago :There's a lot of resistance. Quite a lot of coverage in the mainstream media as well as forums and the blogosphere. Newspaper and radio on line polls are showing almost consistently that more than 80% of consumers do not want secret censorship introduced. I wonder how many of the 80% have taken the time to call/write/email their local elected government official and convey their opinion and perhaps how this will be a MAJOR factor next election as its funny how much influence that can have. I'm not sure how the 'state' can be such a evil thing when the citizens of the state elect it (and if you don't like your choices then run for office and be that choice). Perhaps with percentages of voting public on the decrease, they get the state they didn't bother to vote for and then ultimately perhaps deserve? Blake Not everyone will protest formally in writing. The process looks very daunting to younger people without experience in correspondence. If nothing else a number of people will have learned through this experience that the ability to contact your local representatives and government Ministers isn't as difficult as they thought.
There are many letter templates that have been made available on several websites.
One of the major issues is that the policy has changed and is no longer the policy that was published prior to the election. In the lead up to the election, any proposed "filtering" was to be fully reviewed and it was to be an opt-out filter. The issue of choosing to vote for such a policy is a not relevant where the policy has changed after the election.
The current proposal mandates that adults have no access to "illegal" material. Illegal material, as currently defined, is anything over 15+MA (Mature audience only, 15 years and older). That is absolutely ridiculous. With a further layer of censorship on top of that where opt-out it is possible to make the internet "suitable" for 5 years old and up.
EFA has put a lot of effort into reviewing the proposals and commenting. They have letter templates available for download.
There is no definition of "illegal". The blacklist restricts some terror-related newsgroups and is already exempt from Freedom of Information legislation under the previous government's legislation as it was brought into law under the anti-terrorist legislation. The blacklist could include anything a public servant is instructed to included with no appeal and no right of review even if a site is incorrectly blocked. They seem to forget the Scunthorpe problem and the Peacefire problems.
It would take years and a great deal of money to get a case to the High Court where a complainant would probably win but it will be too late.
More information is available from »www.efa.org.au/FOI/foi_aba_2000.htm Edit:spelling | |
|  Mele20 Premium join:2001-06-05 Hilo, HI | I don't get it. How will this censor anything? It doesn't stop Bittorrent. The more that censorship is pushed the greater the resistance. Everyone who isn't using Bittorrent will start. | |
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1 edit | Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship First thing I thought, hackers will win noble peace prizes for cracking what ever is put in place. Who will front the bill for reseaching/updating this filter because of exploits. What other filters will be updated or added along the way?
Sounds like I'm getting an extra bill before xmas, might need that govt payout they are talking about. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship this is pissing off the joe public. Geez: I hope so. The implications for this are so awful and intrusive. Down here we have REALLY ramped up police /search and seizure/detention with out reason/ powers. There have already been several fiascos: wrong house invaded, wrong person detained/ etc etc etc.
Journalists prosecuted Libraries censored Academics muzzled Public servants silenced Whistleblowers pilloried Our FOI laws are a joke Sports star "role" models behave like barbarians.
LOL our average CEO salaries went up by >20% as the recession bites. Our pollies vote themselves ridiculous pay rises and pensions while our infrastructure rusts to unusable. Our household/national debt is worse than the USA as a portion of GDP We have put an absurd social engineering response in place to combat the financial meltdown. Unintended consequences everywhere...our dollar punished...pensioners funds frozen ...etc etc
BUT damn it...we will protect the citizens from the evils of a free web.
What a disgrace. Australia used to be characterized by tolerance, respect, gentle self deprecating humour and ironic wit: a reasonable sense of self. That has been replaced by outlandish jingoism, a misdirected sense of self importance, relentlessly boorish behaviour and lack of manners, we are in danger of inserting our heads a long way up where the sun don't shine.
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship Internet filters will make Australians feel happy when they deal with similar things. Obviously they prefer do not see it at all and put their heads deeper into sand. Good luck with contemporary self-deception now under the umbrella of a fight with child pornography. You've found a good excuse to behave like an ostrich. -- Keep it simple, it'll become complex by itself... | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by OZO :Internet filters will make Australians feel happy when they deal with similar things. Obviously they prefer do not see it at all and put their heads deeper into sand. Good luck with contemporary self-deception now under the umbrella of a fight with child pornography. You've found a good excuse to behave like an ostrich. I'm not sure what you mean there OZO. There is a lot of opposition to this proposal from the mainstream media, even the News Corporation papers have run the story in a negative way, not well, but they have accepted polls that demonstrate over 80% don't want this. www.ninemsn.com.au (website for one of the free to air TV channels) is a major exception. Cable coverage is not extensive here and it's very expensive. The majority of people rely on free to air radio and TV. The only support is coming from the right wing religious lobby groups who are very vocal and get the ears of the politicians. 
The 2006-2007 figures for internet access show that 5.138 million households in Australia have Internet access. Of these, only 1.782 million or 34.7% have children under the age of 15. The population is about 22 million in 6 States. There are a lot of Australians that can't get dialup better than 9800 bps. Internet access is very expensive here. High fees and poor download limits. Most broadband is DSL.
The comments from politicians here confirm my opinion that they aren't technically competent and are getting advice mainly from the vendors of these systems.
The Cyber Safety Working Group has no consumer representatives, no civil liberties groups on it. Microsoft and Google are in the group along with the ISP groups and the heavy handed lobby groups. In Australia it is possible that some of these lobby groups are funded with government grants.
There are a lot of angry Australians and not just geeks. | |
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I am surprised Christians support censorship- they can only be free to practise as they like because the internet is NOT censored at present!
Internet freedom is just as important as freedom of speech or the press to me, there should be an amendment to the Constitution to guarantee this NOW! | |
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| It's my belief most of the free world has not considered the downside to this shyte. Everyone wants to feel 'protected', but we all (here) see the downside to the equation. This all boils down to government and corporate control.
It's time for the general populace to wake up from their lovely (fantasy) dream. -- "In the future, that which is not mandatory will be illegal" | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by ilago :Protection is the responsibility of the household, not the whole population. The government have subsidized versions of various "Nanny" filter type products available for free from their website. Very few have been installed. Whether that is because very few people are interested I don't know. The are reports that it's difficult to configure and hard to remove. That is simply a technical issue. They could just as easily subsidize an hour for a computer tech to configure the software for the user. That would be by the user choice. Most of the current parent population grew up since computers were introduced. Personal computers were unknown when I was in High School and university. I'm in the grandmotherly age group  I've been on line since way before the World Wide Web right back to 300baud modems. I have never accidentally come across porn of any kind. I have a husband that would be counted as a risky user and will click on anything that looks "interesting"  Children using my computers have restricted access and limited permissions on their user profiles. I'm a responsible guardian and I don't need the government to do it for me. I agree with you ilago . PC's and Internet awareness begins in the Family Home. Like you, I have my kids PC's locked down and Logging everything the Kids do. They don't get Internet Time if no Adults are home. (I have Teenagers) Can't add much more because you have said it all for me.  -- If I knew then, what I know now. I would have still made the same mistakes. | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by a4nic8er :The "Lefties" never cease to amaze me with their "We know what's best for you" agendas. In the United States, it seems to be the "righties" that are advocating censoring, filtering, monitoring, redirecting and injection of unsolicited data in the name of business, "content delivery models", terrorism and "protecting our children". The "lefties", in the form of the ACLU and EFF, are the ones that are opposing internet control.
On a related subject, Ted Stevens (R-AK) knows what's best for us. He demonstrated his amazing grasp of technology most articulately in his famous "series of tubes" speech. -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. -- Justice Louis D. Brandeis | |
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4 edits | Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by EGeezer :said by a4nic8er :The "Lefties" never cease to amaze me with their "We know what's best for you" agendas. In the United States, it seems to be the "righties" that are advocating censoring... The "lefties", in the form of the ACLU and EFF, are the ones that are opposing internet control. The Globe And Mail October 30, 2008 by Ivor Tossell - quote: Censorship is the province of authoritarian states such as China, Cuba, Myanmar and
Australia? This week, we learned that the land down under has been working up plans to censor the Web centrally, and force Internet service providers to make sure that certain content never reaches their subscribers.
The Great Firewall of Australia, as folks are calling it, is being built for the most laudable of reasons, including stopping child pornography. But good intentions are a well-documented paving material. Now other Australian legislators are proposing that the system be expanded to block off even legal adult materials (at least for certain subscribers) or online casinos, which are illegal there.
Censoring the Internet by filtering the tubes that connect it together is tempting, whether you're trying to protect children, prevent terrorism or crack down on movie piracy. But while people must be held accountable for their words, they first need to be able to speak without restraint. That's the point of free speech. Filtering at this level prevents free expression in the first place, and if you think it can't happen in a Western democracy, then I've got a large rock in the Outback to sell you.
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said by EGeezer :On a related subject, Ted Stevens (R-AK) knows what's best for us. He demonstrated his amazing grasp of technology most articulately in his famous "series of tubes" speech. You mean this guy?
 Oh yeah. I remember him now! This past Monday a jury in Washington, D.C. found Stevens guilty of seven felony counts for violating federal ethics laws, each with a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Right, that guy. | |
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by SUMware :The Globe And MailOctober 30, 2008 by Ivor Tossell - quote: The Great Firewall of Australia, as folks are calling it, is being built for the most laudable of reasons, including stopping child pornography. But good intentions are a well-documented paving material. Now other Australian legislators are proposing that the system be expanded to block off even legal adult materials (at least for certain subscribers) or online casinos, which are illegal there.
Natch. They always start off by telling us how they're going to put the kibosh on child pornography, then that quickly fades into the background as the various agenda-pushers start worming their way onboard-- in this case before any legislation is even actually passed. | |
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| said by EGeezer :On a related subject, Ted Stevens (R-AK) knows what's best for us. He demonstrated his amazing grasp of technology most articulately in his famous speech. Hehe,
"I got an internet sent by my staff just yeseterday."
"The internet is not a big truck it's a series of tubes. When you put your message in and it gets in line, it's gonna be delayed."
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| There is only one way to stop this. Either we vote our representatives (who would implement filtering of the internet for ANY reason) out of office or, overthrow the government in power. Take your pick.
Part of "The Declaration of Independence of the Thirteen Colonies"
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
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2 edits | People seem to have such a hard time "getting it". When the government is permitted to be the censor of anything at the behest and encouragement of group "A", it will only be a matter of time until someone of a different political/cultural persuasion takes office and uses those same censorship powers to repress group "A".
This is why it is absolutely vital for those of both the left and the right to come together at least on this issue, in the realization that when any foundational right or freedom is diminished for one group of citizens, it diminishes that right or freedom for all of us - and we will all mourn that loss sooner or later. If I'm allowed by the present governmental powers to pick your pocket to take your property, then some day another set of rulers will allow you to pick my pocket and take my property. Even more important is the right of free speech, which is perhaps the most critical freedom in any society bearing the label "free", because it is so absolutely important to the free-flowing communication of ideas, information, petitions, and complaints that keep the society free. If government puts constraints on free speech for any reason, ultimately those constraints and their reasons will change as times, governments, and crises change. And the reasons used to block free speech will multiply and distort themselves over time until nobody has free speech about anything... whereupon government will dominate us unchecked - which is despotism.
The appropriate methods of protecting oneself and one's family from disturbing exercises of free speech are to block it out at the threshholds of our spheres of legitimate personal control - our households, our families, and so on. It can not, should not, must not be made the responsibility of government to emplace limitations on the free exercise of speech. Those limits will ultimately be used against the citizenry in ways none of us on the right or left can imagine or accept... but then it may be too late. The testimony of history is unrelenting about this danger.
The political leaders in any free land where this kind of control is proposed for any reason should be powerfully cautioned at once by their citizens to not proceed, should be contested in court if they do proceed, and (if they do proceed) should be voted out of office at the very earliest opportunity - with no exceptions - to be replaced by leaders who do understand freedom and who will reverse the errors of their predecessors. Leaders of the left or right must be unmistakably made to understand that such tampering with basic rights for any reason will simply not be tolerated by the citizenry. If we will not do that to protect our freedom, we do not deserve that freedom - and we will lose it.
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| Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship Here's hoping you get something organized to put a stop to this. Don't be sheep and 'take it' - the rest of us are counting on you (why did I just have a Leslie Nielson flashback....) -- All trolls are equal, but A troll is more equal than others. | |
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1 edit | The leaders of Australia's three largest ISPs, Telstra, iiNet and Internode, say that ISP based filtering will not work, and they detailed technical, legal and ethical reasons why:
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