Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship

norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to munky99999 Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by munky99999 : Old news is old. Though from what I'm reading at the end of the thread. It's new once again. Not old news, we have not seen the results from "tests" as yet, due out at the end of this month. The story may have started a while back, but it is still in the infancy stage really. You obviously understand what it won't do for us though. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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munky99999 Munky join:2004-04-10 canada clubs:	reply to norwegian Old news is old. Though from what I'm reading at the end of the thread. It's new once again. If you consider the fact that aussies already have HORRID internet connectivity. Add a giant DPI machine infront of it all will only make it so much worse. "Not only will your rights be at stake, our Internet speeds will slow down by 70 per cent, be mandatory for all Aussies and will not protect us from evil AT ALL", it said. The reality is though. Those who are evil on there now. Too which you are now blocking. Will either defeat the firewall... or leave the internet. Which guess where they are coming next? That's right. Back to reality with all their knowledge and desires. Not only will the firewall not protect anyone. It will infact be far significantly more dangerous for people.
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to SUMware Seems that our PM's site was hit last night in response to the filter proposal. Not quite sure it is the right path to take for protest, however, how did they manage to do it, sounds like someone needs to tidy up the code for the web sites? »www.news.com.au/technology/story···,00.html quote: THE Prime Minister's website has been hacked into in protest over proposed reforms of internet censorship. The website, www.pm.gov.au, was brought down at about 7.20pm (AEST) along with that of the Australian Communications and Media Authority, but both were back online about an hour later. A message posted on the Inquisitor website by the hacker, identified as Anonymous, stated that the action was in response to a Federal Government proposal to introduce mandatory internet filtering -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to SUMware Getting closer to results? We are getting closer to the completion of tests it seems. A recent article mentions the govt have mentioned it is near finished, but because of the secrecy around it, there isn't much info to go by. The following was off a news.com.au article of the shadow minister slamming the govt for lack of info as well. »www.australianit.news.com.au/sto···,00.html quote: A spokesman for Senator Conroy said: "The trial is expected to be completed around September with a report to be provided to the Minister following its conclusion." I did find a small blog by Colin Jacobs of Electronic Frontiers Australia an interesting article, even with the "glossed' comments. »www.australianit.news.com.au/sto···,00.html quote: OUR politicians like to describe the internet as the Wild West, implying it's a lawless haven for pirates, pornographers and pedophiles. While a few libertarian nerds and the Russian mafia might favour such anarchy, the implication is clear that it's time a government lawman stepped in to make the place safe for decent, law-abiding, internet-using folks, in particular, vulnerable children. Apparently our Communications Minister Stephen Conroy thinks he's just the man for the job. Also something the blog pointed out, whether true or false in the application if/when it happens is about how the filters will be created. quote: Now the plan is about "enforcing existing laws'' and cracking down on those who distribute violent and illegal material such as that depicting child sexual abuse. It goes without saying that we'd all like to see the trafficking of abhorrent material stopped, but the filtering plan is hardly a silver bullet for law enforcement. In fact, although some details remain unclear, it appears that the scheme will only target a small list of websites, compiled by bureaucrats in response to complaints from the public, not by specialists or police. The government knows, and the police will happily tell them, that illegal material is not distributed on public websites, but by highly secretive and well-organised groups that use technologies such as peer-to-peer file sharing to elude authorities. For most the fear is that it being controlled by the govt, you would assume the above comment lame.....how ever it is how it is presently done I believe, so why believe it will change from this process? Lack of a referendum, discussion or any other form of communication over what exactly is the reasons for the govt being so strong for this, and secretive at that, really doesn't help the process and the cause they want to pursue. I can only hope it all comes about if it does, with a proper research base from more than just bureaucrats and allows those that really know the internet, security and privacy issues to be allowed to help make sure that once in place it is effective, as there is no technology yet that is effective at filtering, simply because sites can open an hour later under another address once it is banned/filtered. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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Longboard join:2005-04-13 australia	reply to norwegian Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship said by norwegian : I hear you. Posted a little in this topic about that which is a little more recent, but the colour of money is still the same. Ooh, sorry didnt see that in that other thread ..the title of which is a given... Might be worth while merging these last few posts as they all refer to the specific aspects of our little baby down here, whilem referencing in general something 'we' all seem to have no trouble grasping .?? The Clean Feed thread is a wonderful monstrous thing : GOOD.
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Kiwi Premium join:2003-05-26 USA ·Comcast ·Aristotle Internet	reply to norwegian This whole topic is Representative of a failure to understand technology. "I wonder if I could earn a few extra dollars to pay for the kids education here?" Of course, but only if the powers that be understand that technology requires people who know how to manage it. This whole topic would be moot if the end user/network had been managed. It's strange really, nobody jumps in car and expects to run without issues, but people certainly do with anything related to PC, networks and software. The whole system would be better served by using the appropriate qualified people, instead of just screaming like somebody standing still and taking a beating. I'm not at all interested in any government trying to be parents to citizens. A first step in logic could be to pass a more reasonable law where any business is required to have qualified technicians set their system up, if they use a networked PC's. Now, mate you could get rich
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to Longboard I hear you. Posted a little in this topic about that which is a little more recent, but the colour of money is still the same. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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Its a Secret Whatever Premium join:2008-02-23 U B Funny	reply to Longboard You can't make this stuff up, what a joke! Hopefully the backlash from this type of results will spur people to have this shyte ousted once and for all. Bloody wankers.
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fatness subtle Janitor join:2000-11-17 fishing	reply to Longboard What f'ing bozos.
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Longboard join:2005-04-13 australia	reply to SUMware Ah yes: the Law of unintended consequences: LOL »www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/w···55701449 quote: One site a Year 10 student opened while searching for a type of bird contained graphic sexual material and was only barred on Monday after inquiries from The Daily Telegraph. George Cochrane said his school-aged son and daughter, who study by distance education from their farm in Grenfell, were horrified by the sites they could access. Other educational sites and harmless web pages for the local member of parliament - and even Education Minister Verity Firth's own site - have been blocked by the filter. The Department of Education and Training confirmed that the filter would be used on thousands of laptops for high school students. It is also currently used on all computers in schools. "My daughter typed in 'swallow', as in the bird, and it blocked access to a documentary on swallowing toothpaste but gave you access to a male site talking about inappropriate material," Mr Cochrane said Just to keep y'all updated as to our techno wizardry DU
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband 2 edits	reply to Kiwi said by Kiwi This Country is so special these days, that the special short bus few actually dictate what happens for the masses. Kill pedophiles, rapists and remove bureaucrats from the equation; torture the net terrorists, just for fun. Let the rest of the majority get on with life. The correct path of action is never taken to sort the issues as you mention. It doesn't count for votes and human rights movements will argue the case for the evil doers. What a shambles and what a future to look forward too. Edit: correction -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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Kiwi Premium join:2003-05-26 USA ·Comcast ·Aristotle Internet	reply to SUMware The new endeavour will be on the horizon in a few years, just because the internet as it stands has enjoyed a great public freedom from bureaucrats and has always required the will to self govern travels along the net pathways, that won't mean a new standard will not venture out to create yet another formidable method of communication. It tis sad though that idiots with regards redirection are spoiling their own and everybody else's future freedoms. Before those happened, it was much the same as television and we see where that atrocity of censorship has gone, lock down breasts and free up Viagra ~ 'Don't think of the kids, many breast feed, but are not yet ready to spawn on a screen.' This Country is so special these days, that the special short bus few actually dictate what happens for the masses. Kill pedophiles, rapists and remove bureaucrats from the equation; torture the net terrorists, just for fun. Let the rest of the majority get on with life.
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to Longboard Keep on creeping? They know exactly what they are doing. It isn't anything to do with just filtering "known kiddie porn sites", we know that already. These sites will just move, and I still can't see real research being done either. Once a site is pegged and added to the filter, there will be 4 to replace it. And now games? Might as well just turn the net off because there will be nothing to view. [sarcasm]You have to feel proud, don't you. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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Longboard join:2005-04-13 australia 1 edit	reply to SUMware TahDah: we're still here, headless chickens..hard at work....in the running with China. Doh. »www.theage.com.au/digital-life/g···xrx.html quote: the government's internet censorship regime will extend to downloadable and web-based games that don't meet Australia's MA15+ rating standard. quote: The government's decision would mean even Australians over 15-years-old will be unable to access websites that sell downloadable or physical copies of video games as well as those that host web-based games, quote: "This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping," Colin Jacobs of the Electronic Frontiers Australia told the publication. "Far from being the ultimate weapon against child abuse, it now will officially censor content deemed too controversial for a 15-year-old. In a free country like ours, do we really need the government to step in and save us from racy web games?" Cant begin to express my pride in my Govt..
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ilago Premium join:2005-06-28 Australia ·Internode	reply to OppsNotLogedIn said by OppsNotLogedIn : So why hasn't the people of OZ sent a message? By simply not using the internet providers mentioned in this thread. The government intend this to be mandatory, so all ISPs will be obliged to introduce it if it goes ahead. Three of the biggest ISPs have refused to participate. Of the participating IPS, five have a user base that is less than 5000 all up, one is already filtered and run as a non profit by the Christadelphians. Primus is a small-medium ISP and Optus are one of the big ISPs but they are only running limited "tests" on a small part of their user base in two cities.
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ilago Premium join:2005-06-28 Australia ·Internode	reply to nwrickert Re: May back away from mandatory internet filtering plan? said by nwrickert : Does that mean the ISPs could voluntarily use the filtering? Or does it mean that the ISPs could voluntarily use the filtering or else? It means Conroy only opens his mouth to change feet. His lack of technical expertise is breathtaking. More useful information »www.smh.com.au/articles/2009/06/···312.html »www.itwire.com/content/view/25388/1148/ If you'd like to read a truly spectacular approach to network engineering pilot projects, try this specification with no test criteria, no test methodology and the testing consultant is being paid $AU887,000 to run the ummm "tests". »www.somebodythinkofthechildren.c···ent-5633
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OppsNotLogedIn @verizon.net	reply to SUMware Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship So why hasn't the people of OZ sent a message? By simply not using the internet providers mentioned in this thread. Money is the name of the game. If everyone just not pay their bill for one or two months how long do you honestly think that those internet providers would continue kissing butts of the powers that be ? Come on now this is not rockets being built. The solution is simple. Take the money away an you will re-gain control. But if you don't you already know what can be expected. Money is the name of the game an those ISP needs your money to pay their bills or go bust. I've fought side-by-side with aussies......they are a couragous people an should not be subjected to this insult by their own government.
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norwegian Premium join:2005-02-15 Outback ·WestNet Broadband	reply to SUMware UNWIRED, ninth internet service provider to test. It seems we have another to join in the testing. I'm not sure why there is a real need for more to join testing. Surely 1 or 2 ISP's can tell with testing how it reacts? At least it is starting to roll, politically wise, for an against vote. Australia was born of convicts, but sometimes I wonder about he powers to be thinking they still have that power over the masses, this is a perfect example. (sorry about the political comment-needed to explain the view). Considering all the messed up choices our powers make, I have no faith in anything they implement to secure our children's future in respect to the internet. »www.australianit.news.com.au/sto···,00.html UNWIRED has become the ninth internet service provider to join the federal Government's controversial internet filtering trials as Young Labor rebels against the plans to censor the world wide web. Unwired declined to reveal how many customers would participate in the trial, but said inclusion would be voluntary. It is the ninth ISP to participate in the scheme, joining Optus, Primus, Highway 1, Nelson Bay Online, Netforce, OMNIconnect, TECH 2U and Webshield. The Government hopes to introduce mandatory ISP-level content filtering that would automatically block "refused classification" material matched against a web-page blacklist managed by the Australian Communications and Media Authority. "Unwired is an innovative player in the Australian internet market," Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said. "Its participation in the pilot will help ensure the Government obtains robust results to inform the evidence-based development of our ISP filtering policy." According to Unwired, its inclusion in the trial was purely to help determine the technical requirements of the scheme. A list by the "Australian Communications and Media Authority". I wonder who's paying the bills there, big movies, music promoters? A question that has to be asked as well. -- The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing - Edmund Burke
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Longboard join:2005-04-13 australia	reply to SUMware Re: Australia To Implement Mandatory Internet Censorship quote: Responding to questions from shadow communications minister Nick Minchin on how the government may go about imposing the internet filtering scheme, Senator Conroy said that legislation may not be required and ISPs may adopt an industry consensus to block restricted content on a voluntary basis. “Mandatory ISP filtering would conceivably involve legislation … voluntary is available currently to ISPs,” Senator Conroy said. “One option is potentially legislation. One other option is that it could be (on a) voluntary basis that they (ISPs) could voluntarily agree to introduce it.” In response Senator Minchin said he had never heard of a voluntary mandatory system. Senator Conroy responded with “well they could agree to all introduce it”. ROFL Idiot and proving it on a consistent basis.
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nwrickert sand groper Premium,MVM join:2004-09-04 Geneva, IL	reply to norwegian Re: May back away from mandatory internet filtering plan? Does that mean the ISPs could voluntarily use the filtering? Or does it mean that the ISPs could voluntarily use the filtering or else? -- AT&T dsl; Westell 327w modem/router; openSuSE 11.0; firefox 3.0.10
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