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timbo4656

join:2005-03-09
San Ramon, CA

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reply to EG

Re: [Speed] 12/2 or 16/2..what is Comcast smoking? Seriously..

yea thats what i thought. thanks for the quick reply!

is there a a thread here that would tell me when this comes into affect in my market? that is when comcast upgrades the 6mb tier to 12mb.


CajunTek
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Arlington, TX

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reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:

said by EG:

said by dadkins:

When 6/1 gets kicked to 12/2, I'll be dropping back as well.
Doin' the same thing here daddio !
I can save the $10 per month for a D3 modem - if they ever sell them.
They better... I need the money!!!
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delt4
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reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:

16/2 is the highest they go on your current modem. to go for 22 and 50 tiers you have to rent their DOCSIS3 Cisco modem(atleast until moto puts the 6120 in a store near you).
Does this mean that it may be awhile little longer before Comcast upgrades their speeds again, assuming that there aren't as many DOCSIS3 modems out there as the current ones? I mean if speeds were upgraded farther than 16/2, everyone would have to get another modem from Comcast.


Rick
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Waterbury, CT
reply to ztmike
I guess they figure that people will do exactly what the poll suggests they'll do. Either downgrade to the 12/2 or upgrade to the 22/5. And, for those who just want to stay on the 16/2 it will be more or less a grandfathered in tier.

I think the 22/5 is very competitive at the 62.95 they're asking. 2 bucks and change a day for speeds like that seems to me to be a real bargain. Not sure yet whether i'll upgrade to it but it will be nice just to have the option to.
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voip_user0

join:2006-06-14
Middletown, CT
reply to Rob
said by Rob:

They should keep the 16/2 tier plan. Not because it makes sense, but because it gives the consumer an extra choice - and more choices is better than less choices.

Plus, it helps them compete in some markets.
I hope they also add 1/1, 4/1, 6/2, 8/2 for the same price as 12/2, it would give the consumer even more choices

AVonGauss
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join:2007-11-01
Boynton Beach, FL
reply to ztmike
I don't know, it almost sounds like the consensus on this topic is that they raised the 6/1 tier higher than they needed...

bbscript

join:2004-11-09
Waynesboro, PA
so when can we see this addiotional speeds. i hear today but havent seen any changes in configurations over the weekend yet.


EG
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reply to AVonGauss
said by AVonGauss:

I don't know, it almost sounds like the consensus on this topic is that they raised the 6/1 tier higher than they needed...
SHHHHUSH ..

sammydad1

join:2002-06-28
Lake Worth, FL

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reply to ztmike
Hi,

AS a test of actual download pipe size/speed, I use the 100MB broadband download test on www.testmy.net With Powerboost working as well as it does on smaller downloads, you need a beefy test to see a more real-world number. Typically I am averaging about 10.5 Mbps according to their test.

SD1

extreme100
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join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI
reply to voip_user0
said by voip_user0:

I hope they also add 1/1, 4/1, 6/2, 8/2 for the same price as 12/2, it would give the consumer even more choices
Yah, they could market those slower packages as DSL over Digital Voice.

AVonGauss
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Boynton Beach, FL

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reply to EG
EG, I'm just sayin'... It sounds like people are confused about the new tiers, maybe if it was 10/1 instead of 12/2 it would be more balanced and people would be more enthusiastic about the change...

P.S. Did I mention that I'm glad after this post that this board does not work on a karma system? I think I might get voted off the island if it did...


EG
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said by AVonGauss:

EG, I'm just sayin'... It sounds like people are confused about the change, maybe if it was 10/1 instead of 12/2 it would be more balanced and people would be more enthusiastic about the change...
I'm agreein' with ya bud !

GLIMMER

join:2004-01-17
Fisher, IL
reply to Kearnstd
said by Kearnstd:

16/2 is the highest they go on your current modem. to go for 22 and 50 tiers you have to rent their DOCSIS3 Cisco modem(atleast until moto puts the 6120 in a store near you).
how the hell do you figlure that?

most docsis1.1 builds will do 4-6 up and 20-30 down. Here in former insight land we are docsis 2.0 and it will do up to 10 up I have seen the speed tests before comcrap took over the area


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said by GLIMMER:

how the hell do you figlure that?

most docsis1.1 builds will do 4-6 up and 20-30 down. Here in former insight land we are docsis 2.0 and it will do up to 10 up I have seen the speed tests before comcrap took over the area
Comcast isn't going to provision 22mbps for a single user into a 38mbps channel. By policy, they'll only give you the 22mbps tier if they can use a D3 modem to balance your traffic across at least 3x38mbps downstream channels. So yes, while it is indeed possible for a D1.1/2.0 modem to do 20-30mbps downstream, it is highly unwise to provision it that way given the current subscriber loading of the downstream channels.

You'll find this out when you try to order the Ultra service once it becomes available.

Kearnstd
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reply to GLIMMER
said by GLIMMER:

said by Kearnstd:

16/2 is the highest they go on your current modem. to go for 22 and 50 tiers you have to rent their DOCSIS3 Cisco modem(atleast until moto puts the 6120 in a store near you).
how the hell do you figlure that?

most docsis1.1 builds will do 4-6 up and 20-30 down. Here in former insight land we are docsis 2.0 and it will do up to 10 up I have seen the speed tests before comcrap took over the area
because its company policy for the 22/5 and up tiers.
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matthew330ci

join:2005-02-10
reply to ztmike
are you guys getting charged a ridiculous fee to change your level of service? i was told there would be some fee (I forget the amount) if I ever change my level of service.


Johkal
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said by matthew330ci:

are you guys getting charged a ridiculous fee to change your level of service? i was told there would be some fee (I forget the amount) if I ever change my level of service.
Not that I know of. I've changed back & forth for research reasons and did not notice any fees.
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ztmike
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Just thought of something..maybe Comcast can go for 16/2 instead of 12/2 and current 16/2 users would be upgraded to 22/5, and 8/2 users would see the bump to 16/2-but pay the same price as users from the 6/1 tier.

That way everybody is happy and Comcast would be leading the way for speeds/pricing..

But we all know Comcast doesn't like making sense..so I doubt it will happen.


Rob
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said by ztmike:

Just thought of something..maybe Comcast can go for 16/2 instead of 12/2 and current 16/2 users would be upgraded to 22/5, and 8/2 users would see the bump to 16/2-but pay the same price as users from the 6/1 tier.

That way everybody is happy and Comcast would be leading the way for speeds/pricing..

But we all know Comcast doesn't like making sense..so I doubt it will happen.
22/5 requires a doc 3.0 modem. That's a lot of doc 3.0 modems.


dadkins
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said by Rob:

said by ztmike:

Just thought of something..maybe Comcast can go for 16/2 instead of 12/2 and current 16/2 users would be upgraded to 22/5, and 8/2 users would see the bump to 16/2-but pay the same price as users from the 6/1 tier.

That way everybody is happy and Comcast would be leading the way for speeds/pricing..

But we all know Comcast doesn't like making sense..so I doubt it will happen.
22/5 requires a doc 3.0 modem. That's a lot of doc 3.0 modems.
... and for those of us that own our modems, this means new modem rental charges. No thanks!
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dadkins
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reply to matthew330ci
said by matthew330ci:

are you guys getting charged a ridiculous fee to change your level of service? i was told there would be some fee (I forget the amount) if I ever change my level of service.
$1.99 Change Of Service Charge...
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u3912974

join:2007-07-31
San Francisco, CA
reply to ztmike
perhpas it's a bit of:
supply and demand
difference of speeds in competing markets
future growth and past remainders

I think they have the right to offer what they want and we have the opportunity to purchase or decline purchase of said product


espaeth
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reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:

... and for those of us that own our modems, this means new modem rental charges. No thanks!
Given that the D3 modems are still in the $200-$300 range (multiple tuners + limited market availability bumps the costs up quite a bit), that $3/mo charge is a flat out bargain right now. Not to mention that equipment failures common in first generation models aren't your problem; if the modem kacks, Comcast just brings you out another one.


Johkal
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reply to dadkins
said by dadkins:

said by matthew330ci:

are you guys getting charged a ridiculous fee to change your level of service? i was told there would be some fee (I forget the amount) if I ever change my level of service.
$1.99 Change Of Service Charge...
The infamous $1.99 charge. LOL! Forgot about that wallet breaker.

Thanks bud!
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dadkins
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reply to espaeth
My SB5100 has ran without an issue for 5+ years.
I paid $59.99(after rebate) for it.
$3.00 per month x 5 years = $180
180 - $60 = $130 net saved.

So, with a starting point of $130, $200 is not that far of a leap.
No one has a timeline on when we can go to Best buy and pick up a Cisco or Moto D3 modem.
I will likely have enough to get one by the time D3 gets here and D3 modems go on sale.

Rent one, and the modem runs for years... it's like burning money.
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espaeth
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said by dadkins:

My SB5100 has ran without an issue for 5+ years.
I paid $59.99(after rebate) for it.
I did the same thing when I bought my SB5100 in 2003. At $60 the break-even point is 20 months - pretty safe risk considering the modems come with a 1 year warranty (8 months of "exposure").

Due to the extra tuners, the D3 modems are unlikely to drop below $100 anytime soon. Let's say they do hit the store at $150 somehow, that's still 50 months (just over 4 years) just to break even and I believe the modems still only have the same 1 year warranty. So, if the modem kacks then your cost model is completely hosed.

Personally, I still am not optimistic that the first generation of multi-tuner cable modems is going to show the same level of reliability as our 5th generation single-tuner SB5100s.

jacktaw

join:2003-01-03
Derry, NH

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reply to ztmike

12/2 Upgrade Available in Derry, NH

Just downgraded my 16/2 to the 12/2.

Told the rep that if they just upgraded the upstream to 5 MBit/s then I'd keep it.

Wonder how Comcast likes losing $10/month with all these people?!

-Kevin


dadkins
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reply to espaeth

Re: [Speed] 12/2 or 16/2..what is Comcast smoking? Seriously..

Eh... It's a Motorola.

I hear ya though... but with the luck I have, a POS that is being rented will last til the next iceage and I will have thrown hundreds away for nothing.

Decisions decisions...
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mgmgmg

join:2002-09-08
Minneapolis, MN

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reply to ztmike

12/2 Upgrade Available in Minneapolis, MN

I also Just downgraded my 16/2 to the 12/2.

$10/month Extra?! WOW

AVonGauss
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reply to ztmike

Re: [Speed] 12/2 or 16/2..what is Comcast smoking? Seriously..

FWIW, in another post I indicated it looked my upload PowerBoost had been gone for about a week and 1/2 now. I'm not entirely sure that is true, the speed test sites (SpeedTest, SpeakEasy and Comcast) all seem to indicate this consistently, but doing a scp upload to a server seems to indicate otherwise. Something definitely changed, just not sure at this point without more investigation as to what the underlying change is. The reason I'm mentioning it is because of my previous post regarding recent "config file" changes.