| . st7860 is absolutely right. Teksavvy rents all of bell's facilities, OE's, SLAMS, everything. Therefore they are subject to Bell's rules. Primus and Sprint (now owned by Rogers) have their own equipment in Bell COs (due to a ruling of the CRTC which allows anyone to setup their own equipment in Bell's CO) and therefore implement their own rules, they only lease the copper going to the customer's premises from Bell. |
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| Rocky is a co-owner of Teksavvy, and a pretty knowledgeable guy, so you'll forgive us if we take his word over people like st7860. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | Rocky is just a person who likes to whine about Bell when he could easily under Canadian Regulations, co-locate his own equipment in a bell office if he chose to, then he would be able to avoid any throttling, but no, he prefers to whine in the news instead. |
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 R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | said by st7860:Rocky is just a person who likes to whine about Bell when he could easily under Canadian Regulations, co-locate his own equipment in a bell office if he chose to, then he would be able to avoid any throttling, but no, he prefers to whine in the news instead. 
We can't avoid the throttling due to having to still go through the stingers.... There's no way to avoid some of Bell's infrastructure.
That's the problem with this setup.... As for the whining... We're doing something about it, and if you would have read above, the infrastructural situation was negotiated this way as Bell wholesale execs wanted to not have us co-locate...
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| just thought id post this video here as to why some people would say you re-sell your stuff Rocky.
You where on the news about it, here you are lol. so famous hah:
»ca.youtube.com/watch?v=pFKLpwNhIms
lol they literally say "reselling" about Rocky and his company. |
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| You guys are missing the big picture.
Either way, Throttling is wrong.
Period.
( And dont give me all the "piracy" / p2p bullshit, thats an easy and old excuse already discussed to death ) |
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maybe your a little bit slow, its not whinning nor is it anything else. When bell specifies that the problem is congestion and their own charts don't show any of that, then they are lieing to the crtc and to the people that lease their equipment.
Teksavvy buys it's own bandwitdh, and thats what the customer gets, though bell decides to throttle it via their equipment. thats just stupid when teksavvy and other companies are paying for full usage, |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to Blago
teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem |
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1 edit | St7860 is wrong! st7860, you are wrong, deal with it and move on.
You have no understanding of how Bell is a monopoly that was formed by tax payers money up here, and as such should not be allowed to interfere with anything that Teksavvy does. Especially if it is for the sole purpose of stifling competition and to continue their rule with an iron fist over canadian phone lines.
Word of Advice. Listen to Rocky, he knows what he is talking about.
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join:2005-10-12
Peterborough, ON
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Re: . said by st7860:teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem You should learn about how it *really* works in Canada before continually posting the same BS.
There is truth that service providers can colocate here, in fact some have done so. It's extremely expensive to deploy even in small serving areas and the biggest issue is that Bell will only allow you to colocate in their CO's - NOT their remotes. This means you still can't serve a large majority of the client base and must still rely on wholesale access arrangements (which is not reselling). The wholesale side is where the throttling issue arrises that CRTC doesn't seem to want to rule on....
If you are really from SF, CA then you would know that these same issues are in your own backyard with colocation problems... right?? |
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/agreed
The big difference here is Bell is "managing content" not "managing their network". If they were purely in the interest of simply managing their network, and relieving congestion, they would be throttling whole connections not picking and choosing what I have fast access to. |
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If teksavvy simply resold bell's services, what teksavvy buys from bell would have me connected to the internet. However, this isn't the case, all this gets me is a connection from Ottawa to Toronto. Which is great if all I wanted to access was some server in Toronto, but sadly, that isn't an internet connection. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to Blago
teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem. they choose to re-sell bell services instead of putting their own equipment in. i'm right. |
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| said by st7860:teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem. they choose to re-sell bell services instead of putting their own equipment in. i'm right. Your lack of understanding is truly remarkable, your laziness to research the subject is predictable and your personality to always think your right is laughable.
Your wrong, listen to Rocky, you might learn a thing or two. |
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Re: . I think this thread is a prime example of how the average person is confused about Bell's 'reseller' setup in leasing their copper.
If the CRTC rules in favor of Bell the general public won't understand this is a big problem. Our Internet freedom and ethical business opportunity is going down the crapper. |
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st7860
join:2004-05-13
San Francisco, CA | reply to Blago
Re: . does Teksavvy do anything like put their own DSLAMS into a Bell Office and pay around $7 a month to rent the copper to their customer? NO they don't. they rent bell's wholesale ADSL service.
»www.bce.ca/en/aboutbce/regulator···20%20%20
4. Components for Service Providers 4. Composants pour les fournisseurs de services
(a) Service providers wishing to offer a competitive
alternative to the Company’s ADSL Access service may
do so by co-locating their ADSL transmission equipment
in a Company serving wire centre in accordance with the
terms, conditions, rates and charges specified in the
Company’s Access Services Tariff (AST) Item 110 - Colocation
Arrangements for Interconnecting Canadian
Carriers and Digital Subscriber Line Service Providers
(DSLSPs). The rates and charges for space and power
components are based on those specified in AST Item
110. To complete the above arrangements, the service
provider may lease the following components from the
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON | reply to ReDSpideR
said by ReDSpideR:just thought id post this video here as to why some people would say you re-sell your stuff Rocky. You where on the news about it, here you are lol. so famous hah: (youtube clip) they literally say " reselling" about Rocky and his company. Because CBC isn't educated enough to understand the difference (at the start of all of this episode) doesn't mean we are... Fact is that we don't resell. Stop twisting words or using words that aren't mine.
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R0CKYTSI RockyPremium,VIP
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Chatham, ON | reply to st7860
said by st7860:teksavvy just basically resells bell services and provides their own customer service and billing, and a few misc. servers like mail and so on. if they instead colocated equipment with bell, throttling wouldn't be a problem We do co-locate our equipment with Bell, at 151 Front Street, where we've paid to have it back-hauled to.
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