But what are the accusations based on? in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21364090 en Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:11:54 EDT Tue, 01 Dec 2009 04:11:54 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370615 funchords : They were forging RSTs on the tail of a data transfer request, they were using Sandvine.

My best information is that they completely stopped. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370615 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:49:34 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370240 Noah Vail :
said by funchords See Profile :

I personally confirmed on Cox. Glasnost is reliable. Vuze was the outfit that gave some rather confusing output -- it wasn't dishonest, it just wasn't very useful.
Just to be clear, you were able to confirm that Cox is throttling? Were you able to see if you got, SYN or RST resets?

NV
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This isn't about QoS good or QoS bad -- this is about who gets to decide.

The Internet standards say that the end users get to decide, not the ISP.

You are right that users do set their prioritization generally correctly. There are standards that have been sitting on shelves for years that would enable the ISPs to carry that classification right on into their own network -- in other words, BT would have lower priority, just as it should (most of the time).

They just need to enable some way for users apps to pass on the IP DSCP or TOS marking. Comcast or AT&T, both with 20% of US Internet users each, would lead the entire tech industry into enabling their apps to use it! Everyone else would just follow.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370197 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:33:55 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370159 funchords : I personally confirmed on Cox. Glasnost is reliable. Vuze was the outfit that gave some rather confusing output -- it wasn't dishonest, it just wasn't very useful. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21370159 Mon, 03 Nov 2008 17:26:03 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21369562 Noah Vail :
said by amigo_boy See Profile :

I use QoS to throttle it relative to my VOIP and web-browsing activities. I don't fault an ISP for doing the same thing at a higher level. Mark
I wouldn't fault an ISP for QoS throttling their own personal bandwidth either; at any level.

I would fault you or any ISP who surreptitiously sabotages their customers packet integrity because they can not profitably sell the product they imply in their advertising.

NV
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said by Skippy25 See Profile :

they should be the dumb pipes they are and stop trying to manage it to protect the content they deliver.
When BT users stop using QoS (to lower BT priority), and let their network connections be "dumb pipes" I will understand your position.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21366133 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:37:52 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21366008 Skippy25 : I understand QoS I support routers/swithes on a daily basis.

Regardless, they should be the dumb pipes they are and stop trying to manage it to protect the content they deliver.

As I said above, the network should be up and running and let it be managed by the natural congestion that is there by being utilized. If they want to have more customers then they need to increase capacity or lessen the bandwidth available to their customers. However, under no case should they be allowed to throttle or prioritize any packet for any reason.

If they feel someone is abusing their network then lower their tier or remove them from it. Of course they better have this clearly outlined.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21366008 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:15:45 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365595 amigo_boy :
said by Skippy25 See Profile :

for the rest of the world, we don't want ISP's to do anything with our packets other then send them on at the fastest possible way they can.
In a perfect world that would be fine. But, routers contain QoS for a reason. And, even BT users rely upon QoS to ensure their DNS, web and VOIP traffic is "sent the fastest possible way" at the expense of BT.

That's just a fact of life. If those users don't want BT congesting/competing with their higher-priority traffic, they wouldn't want the same thing on the wider-area network either.

But, unlike you, I don't claim to speak for the rest of the world. These are just my thoughts. ;)

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365595 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:36:16 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365341 Skippy25 : Oh that's right.... many customers dont have that luxury (a choice).

So maybe they should be regulated into doing what they should be doing. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365341 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:34:12 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365337 Skippy25 : Of course you don't fault them. It is in YOUR best interest not to.

However, for the rest of the world, we don't want ISP's to do anything with our packets other then send them on at the fastest possible way they can.

You want to let the market to sort it out, then let the market sort it out. They do nothing to impede traffic and be the dumb pipes they are and should be. As their network suffers because they choose not to make improvements customers will go elsewhere and thus relieve the strain on their system.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21365337 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 17:32:02 EDT Re: But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364407 amigo_boy :
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

Wasn't the COX throttling charge base on ...
I'm on Cox (1500/256kbs). I've been using BitTorrent all weekend. My upload speed has been consistently in the 20-30kbs range. I changed all the client settings I could find. Disabled my router's QoS.

It's fine with me. I consider BT to be a usefule *low* priority option. I use QoS to throttle it relative to my VOIP and web-browsing activities. I don't fault an ISP for doing the same thing at a higher level.

Mark]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364407 Sun, 02 Nov 2008 13:35:42 EDT But what are the accusations based on? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21364090 Noah Vail : Wasn't the COX throttling charge base on data gathered via Glasnost? There were allegations that Glasnost was providing unreliable results, perhaps misidentifying conditions of packets.

Has Glasnost been vetted since the »Comcast Gets Investigated While Cox Gets Free Pass brought it's accuracy into question?

NV
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