Re: Ehh in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21376236 en Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:34:41 EDT Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:34:41 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21386613 anon : I wouldn't pay more than half a yard (50 bucks for the ignorant people) for half a terabyte.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21386613 Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:49:08 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21380899 Ahrenl : Perhaps everyone who cared about getting the most speed have already left or plan on leaving? With the slowest tier my Comcast bill was still $30's more a month than the 20/5 triple play tier on FIOS.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21380899 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 13:47:15 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21379251 moonpuppy :
said by funchords See Profile :

They need a cap, maybe, but they need education and some methods of control. There are some tools for control now, some tools for control that the IETF is talking about. Let them use bandwidth, but let them use it in ways that won't interfere with the neighborhood and is fair to the ISP.

ISPs need to put away the scarcity and the scare tactics and become part of the Internet community -- one that looks at consumers and service providers not as money-sources and competitors, but as partners.

robb
While I mostly agree with you, what they need to do is be honest and put into place "useful" tools.

One that might be of some benefit is a tool this very site uses. In the upper right corner, there is a meter that shows the load of the site. If ISPs had some sort of tool that showed the load of the local node, AND WAS HONEST ABOUT IT, then people might be a little more cognitive of their usage. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21379251 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:35:29 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21377047 RARPSL :
said by en102 See Profile :

This is where 'tiered caps' will start to come into effect.

Assume the following were true for these new packages:

768kbps - 10GB
12/2Mbps - 40GB
16/2Mbps - 150GB
22/5Mbps - 250GB
50/10Mbps - 500GB

Same pricing... but capped. Now which would most pick ?
If I did more than 40GB a month and my overage penalty was more than $10 the 16/2 tier would be a better deal. In fact, they could add a $10 overage cap to the 12/2 tier. IOW: In any month that I exceed the 40GB cap, I will be charged the lesser of the overage fee or $10 and then be allowed to go up to 150GB. This is the best of both tiers for both sides since they only need to provision for 12 while getting the extra $10 that 16/2 costs. Those who need/want the extra 4Mbps download speed would go for the 16/2 tier while the 12/2 tier would get the extra 110GB when needed for the extra cost of the 16/2 tier.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21377047 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:41:12 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21376394 Paul928 :
said by en102 See Profile :

This is where 'tiered caps' will start to come into effect.

Assume the following were true for these new packages:

768kbps - 10GB
12/2Mbps - 40GB
16/2Mbps - 150GB
22/5Mbps - 250GB
50/10Mbps - 500GB

Same pricing... but capped. Now which would most pick ?
Maybe I'm reading the posted story different than you, and I'm not sure if you meant that the caps that you posted would indeed be in effect....but I quote from the story. "For the time being, you can assume that all tiers will come with Comcast's new 250GB monthly cap." The part that scares me most though is "For the time being." ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21376394 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:48:01 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21376236 KrK : Isn't it disgusting.

They'll use caps as a way of forcing people to buy services they don't want... or making the services people want crippled to the point of uselessness.

It's great being in an unregulated, non-competing environment.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21376236 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:22:10 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375812 anon :
said by en102 See Profile :

Same pricing... but capped. Now which would most pick ?
FIOS]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375812 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:02:38 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375810 funchords :
said by en102 See Profile :

This is where 'tiered caps' will start to come into effect.

Assume the following were true for these new packages:

768kbps - 10GB
12/2Mbps - 40GB
16/2Mbps - 150GB
22/5Mbps - 250GB
50/10Mbps - 500GB

Same pricing... but capped. Now which would most pick ?
Here's the thing, and, as usual, nobody is listening to me.

80% (WAG) don't need a cap.

There are 20% that -might- benefit the entire network by having a cap, and in that number, probably only 10% that probably exceed all reasonableness in the opinion of some made-up fake jury somewhere. It's a tiny, tiny number.

They need a cap, maybe, but they need education and some methods of control. There are some tools for control now, some tools for control that the IETF is talking about. Let them use bandwidth, but let them use it in ways that won't interfere with the neighborhood and is fair to the ISP.

ISPs need to put away the scarcity and the scare tactics and become part of the Internet community -- one that looks at consumers and service providers not as money-sources and competitors, but as partners.

robb
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375810 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:02:17 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375729 en102 : Its what was done in Canada (Rogers, I believe) to sway the average user into a specific tier.
For the AVERAGE user, there's CURRENTLY very little to be gained by going from 6Mbps to anything higher.

When I say AVERAGE, I mean those the do Google search, Youtube, email, iTunes, etc., and not those running BT, downloading Oracle 10g / Fedora Core distros, hosting email, etc.

The 'new' incentive is caps - bottom tier is one they _really_ don't want you to use, so price is cheap, but has puny cap, and shouldn't be used for much besides searches and email.

Since there's little (relative) difference in speed between 12Mbps and 16Mbps (and none on the upload), why would anyone pay $10/month more ? I can only expect that there's some small print, such as caps.
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said by nasadude See Profile :

yep, 12/2 @ $42 is the spot.

If I had the $52 tier, I would be downgrading to save $10.
i know here that when we upgraded all lines from 1.5mpbs/384 to 5mpbs/640 and gave people the option to have their bill stay the same at 5mpbs, or drop it $10 to stay at 1.5mbps something like 85%+ went with the $10 savings

granted this is getting on a few years ago now]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375695 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:37:18 EDT Re: Comcast Adding Tiers - What's Your Flavor? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375672 ArkhmAsylm : I started out with a 28/8 modem & moved up to Qwest's 256/128 DSL service. They upgraded me to 640/256 not too long after getting the service. Two years ago I upgraded my 'puter &, after assessing my in-law's Comcast HSI, I decided to take the leap to the 4/512 service. I was happy with the 1st DSL tier, very pleased with their upgrade, & tickled with my original CC tier. While I would probably opt for the fastest service available - if money weren't an issue - I don't believe that I need anything more at this time.
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If I had the $52 tier, I would be downgrading to save $10.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375613 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:24:53 EDT Re: Ehh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21375511 banditws6 : Interesting point. I'd be more than happy with 12/2, but if they broke down the bandwidth caps this way, I'd have to upgrade to 16/2 out of necessity alone. :huh:
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Assume the following were true for these new packages:

768kbps - 10GB
12/2Mbps - 40GB
16/2Mbps - 150GB
22/5Mbps - 250GB
50/10Mbps - 500GB

Same pricing... but capped. Now which would most pick ?
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