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80 for Elite?

No way. If that is their idea I will switch back to the local cable company. 80 gb is RIDICULOUS.
permalink · 2008-11-06 08:55:10 · Reply to this
morgan1112

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Re: 80 for Elite?

I agree! These Caps are way too low. 250GB or 500GB is much more reasonable. Or, better yet don't cap anything at all.
permalink · 2008-11-06 09:07:03 · Reply to this

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permalink · 2008-11-06 10:00:56 · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

I am not sure of their caps, so I will have to ping them.

Two reasons actually. One is price vs speed. For 6/512 they charge $45 I belive, for 5.1/656 on ATT it is $35. I also use VoIP and I have found that the quality on DSL is superior to cable....
permalink · 2008-11-06 10:03:32 · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

are you dry loop or does that include pots with 50% taxes and unfees?
permalink · 2008-11-06 10:10:57 · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

Not dry loop. We come out to about $52 after the line, taxes etc.
To get the discounted rate on the cable tier, I need to have basic cable service which won't work as I have Directv.

So $39.95 for 6/512 (my bad on the other price) plus $51.05 for basic cable. Never mind what it would cost to terminate the DTV service. Just doesn't make sense. But should the caps hit my area, away I go.
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permalink · 2008-11-06 10:27:51 · Print · Reply to this

BF69

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Camden, TN		 when this first came out I though 150 GB for 6 Mbps was ok but only 80 GB? Well at&t guaranteed they won't be getting MY business. If that crap comes here. Sorry U-verse is probably 10 years away for me.
permalink · 2008-11-06 11:13:22 · Reply to this

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 This is where I _really_ find that the cap ratio isn't consistent.

768kbps - 20GB (1Mbps:26GB)
1.5Mbps - 40GB (1Mbps:26GB)
3.0Mbps - 60GB (1Mbps:20GB) - getting worse
6.0Mbps - 80GB (1Mbps:13GB) - worse yet
10.0Mbps - 150 (1Mbps:15GB) - not much better

I would expect the cap ratio to actually get 'better' as the price and speed increases... not worse.

If they kept the ratio consistent across the board, here's what it would look like:

768kbps - 20GB (1Mbps:26GB)
1.5Mbps - 40GB (1Mbps:26GB)
3.0Mbps - 80GB (1Mbps:26GB)
6.0Mbps - 160GB (1Mbps:26GB)
10.0Mbps - 260GB (1Mbps:26GB)
permalink · 2008-11-06 12:37:50 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

That would make more sense.

I just had a DSL line installed for my work at another office. I ordered pro, but the max sync is only 2160kbps (was 1650kbps till I complained for 2 weeks and got them to change the circuit). I'm paying $40/m for that but I got a deal, the normal price Pro with a single dynamic IP is now $52/m.
I'm likely to push around 100-400GB of data over than line a month. If this caps get applied to their business lines, they're going to loose a lot of business.

And uVerse too?!? Well forget that shit then, I was considering switching from TWC to uVerse Max, but if they're going to cap it, they can just go ahead and remove their VRAD from my neighborhood, I won't care.
permalink · 2008-11-06 14:17:28 · Print · Reply to this

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said by en102 See Profile :

This is where I _really_ find that the cap ratio isn't consistent.
Interesting observation. But - what actually costs? The speed or transfer? I use less than 10GB/mo, but wouldn't want to have under 1Mbs service. Tying the two together doesn't make that much sense to me.
Joe
permalink · 2008-11-06 16:56:30 · Reply to this
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 I switched from ATT a while back to my local cable co. They have no caps. I really have to ask it again... DO THEY REALLY NEED CAPS? They continually claim that less than 1% of users use an excessive ammount... so if 99.X% of users are underutilizing what they bought and 0.X% uses over, is it really cutting away all of their profits? REALLY?
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permalink · 2008-11-06 14:50:01 · Reply to this

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said by ptrowski See Profile :

No way. If that is their idea I will switch back to the local cable company. 80 gb is RIDICULOUS.
I am in the same boat and I agree with you. I would call Comcast in a heartbeat and sign up for cable modem service before I would go with AT&T in that situation. Their 250gb cap is much more friendly. While more expensive, I know comcast works great in our area and I know I would get more bang for the buck so to speak.

The ball is in AT&Ts court here.
permalink · 2008-11-06 14:53:13 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

Please don't fall into their game of actually fighting over which cap is better. Try to find something uncapped instead.
permalink · 2008-11-06 15:15:59 · Reply to this

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said by pspcrazy See Profile :

Please don't fall into their game of actually fighting over which cap is better. Try to find something uncapped instead.
Unfortunately, a lot of people won't have that option. Besides, the uncapped solution may not be the best. Just because its uncapped doesn't mean its what you should buy. Case in point, I could go with a 3rd party DSL provider that is uncapped in this area, but if I do, I will be limited to 768k. Is that worth it? Not to me.
permalink · 2008-11-06 16:39:42 · Print · Reply to this

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said by ptrowski See Profile :

No way. If that is their idea I will switch back to the local cable company. 80 gb is RIDICULOUS.
Seeing you've been one of their biggest critics....how are you feeling about comcasts 250 gig cap in comparison now?
permalink · 2008-11-07 05:32:17 · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

said by Rick See Profile :

said by ptrowski See Profile :

No way. If that is their idea I will switch back to the local cable company. 80 gb is RIDICULOUS.
Seeing you've been one of their biggest critics....how are you feeling about comcasts 250 gig cap in comparison now?
Rick! I was wondering when I would see you.

First things first, I am more a critic of your blatant shilling. No one takes such an interest in an ISP unless they are affiliated with them.

That being said, obviously 250 gb is better than 80 gb, no questions asked. Luckily they are trials in one market now, and I am not capped at this time. Should it be rolled out market wide like Comcast has done then I will look elsewhere.
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permalink · 2008-11-07 08:27:12 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

hmm..funny that you refer to my warnings about AT&T uverse for the last 2 years as "shilling" for Comcast.

I'd call my predictions dead on accurate when it comes to how they should have rolled out FTTH instead. You..on the other hand..countered every post I made as being wrong.

Was I wrong about docsis 3.0 and how fast it would be coming out? It sure doesn't look that way..does it?
Was I wrong about how slow and outdated uverse would look in comparison..especially with this being AT&T's "next" generation service? It sure doesn't look that way.

And, was I wrong about Comcasts 250 gig "caps" as being extremely generous given what the competition would offer?
It sure doesn't look that way.

Instead..what we now have is you..in your own words..saying
how ridiculous AT&T is for proposing this. And how you'll be bailing on them and switching to your cable company instead.

Mr Ptrowski..it looks like you've agreed with me the whole time.
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permalink · 2008-11-07 09:13:10 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

Hardly. Your "warnings" to AT&T are not in their own right shilling. Heck, I would take them as useful information if ot were not for all the other BS you spout. When 5% is good information but the other 95% is junk, you tend to lose site of the good parts.

The speeds for Uverse are going up as we saw. They are moving forward with higher tiers. How is that bad Rick? And don;t forget that in new developments AT&T IS deploying FTTP. Granted the speed tiers are the saem as Uverse, but they are doing fiber in select areas.

Right now it is a trial. HOPEFULLY is does not go across the boards as the cable companies have done. Right now I am not capped, I hope it stays that way. So 250 gigs is good, but my current uncapped system is better. No collars around my neck yet.

If you find my opposing the proposed caps for AT&T being in agreement with you, then so be it. I oppose caps across the boards.
permalink · 2008-11-07 09:22:24 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

The speeds are going UP Mr Ptrowski because they apparently want people to not watch tv while surfing their 18Mb uverse service. How else would you get 18Mb speeds out of a 25Mb Line?

You would ALSO get it by having to then CAP people at "ridiculous" levels..so ridiculous that the 20Mb cap is not even ONE TENTH what Comcast "caps" at.

The limitations of this "next generation" Uverse service are falling apart by the minute as they desperately try to be anything at all in this new world of broadband being introduced by verizon with their FTTH service..and comcast with docsis 3.0.
Exactly..as I predicted it would. Up to 2 years ago..unless they heeded the suggestion that they MUST begin a FTTH rollout.

Now..they pay they price.

And nowhere is that more evident than in YOUR own statement..about how YOU will be bailing on them.

Said by Ptrowski:
"No way. If that is their idea I will switch back to the local cable company. 80 gb is RIDICULOUS."

You're right Ptrowski.
Absolutely right.
permalink · 2008-11-07 09:30:10 · Print · Reply to this

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Re: 80 for Elite?

Again, although at the same speeds you forget that they ARE deploying FTTH. There are some AT&T customers that have fiber. I assume you forgot that.

I don't want Uverse TV. I have Directv and have no need for their services. So I would take the higher speeds.

Let me break it down to small sentences for you.

Ptrowski = no current caps.
Rick = current caps
Caps = bad
More speed = good for everyone*

*ANY speed increases in the broadband world as a whole is good. It promotes competition which benefits everyone. Do I need to wrap that sentence in a brick and bang you over the head with it?
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permalink · 2008-11-07 09:43:41 · Print · Reply to this

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