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| | And we all see how well the market 'self regulates' Banking? Insurance? The entire economy is on the brink of collapse due to 'self regulation'. Let's look at broadband how the other 90% of the world does, and call it a utility. Oh noes! no-one will make a profit! Guess what,
#1: It's not a utilities job to make a profit, it's to provide services.
#2: The government already spends 100's of billions on infrastructure, let the govt build fiber everywhere, and let the free market sell the services.
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Canonsburg, PA | Re: And we all see how well the market 'self regulates' said by karlmarx:#1: It's not a utilities job to make a profit, it's to provide services. #2: The government already spends 100's of billions on infrastructure, let the govt build fiber everywhere, and let the free market sell the services. First of all it's a utility's job to do both.
Like I said before government funds are limited. That's because the government decided to take on the burden of guaranteeing hundreds of billions of potentially very bad private debt. That kind of money could bring fiber optic lines to every home in the 50 states and still have some left over but it has already been spent. | |
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On your #1, who is going to want to do the job if there is no profit?
On your #2, where is the government going to come up the money to build fiber everywhere? Oh, I know the answer to that, tax me more, so that I can't afford the broadband.
Where do we get the idea that the government can successfully do anything anymore? | |
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Grand Forks Afb, ND | while I agree that broadband needs to be catagorized as a utility and fall under regulation, Utilities DO need to turn a profit. They have to be self-sufficient or it will fold. Now there are regions that get propped up from other regions that turn a profit, but averall there needs to be a net zero or better cash flow. Because that profit goes back in for modernization and build-out. Problem is, too many planners have ignored this need. Now we have a Comm/Power national infrastructure that is far too old and in ares on the verge of collapse. It is widely recognized that the power grid NEEDS to be completely re-built. and teh comm grid isn't a whole hell-of-alot better
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Queens Village, NY | said by karlmarx: Let's look at broadband how the other 90% of the world does, and call it a utility. Oh noes! no-one will make a profit! Guess what, #1: It's not a utilities job to make a profit, it's to provide services. #2: The government already spends 100's of billions on infrastructure, let the govt build fiber everywhere, and let the free market sell the services. Unless my Internet searching skills are seriously impaired I would like to know which are those countries in the 90% of the world that have broadband listed as a utility (aka. Universal Service, maybe)?
I think you underling and ulterior motive is to get government payed broadband for free given that under your suggestion it should be socialized.
Here is the kicker:
I don't know if you are aware that broadband service in Europe socialistic paradise is more EXPENSIVE (in general) w/lower speeds than in the US?
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| | | | Re: And we all see how well the market 'self regulates' That is an outright LIE! Unless you don't consider Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, or Portugal part of the "European Socialist Paradise". They all have cheaper per megabit broadband costs than the United States!
The situation is MUCH WORSE when you look at the suburban and rural United States. Many of these families can't get wireline internet of any type and have to resort to microwave, WiMAX, or satellite which is slow and expensive. In many developed countries, rural broadband is treated just as phonelines were in the USA in the 20th century and are subsidized so the providers will provide universal access!
You guys and your "free-market-at-all-costs" nonsense are dragging down the United States! Just look at what that type of no-regulation and federal-investment-is-socialism attitude has down to our economy, the financial markets, consumer broadband, and our disaster of physical infrastructure. You "Reagan-ites" should be ashamed! Our whole country is CRUMBLING and yet we have MORE DEBT than ever before!
Price/megabit is cheaper in most large European and Asian countries than it is in the United States! | |
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| | said by karlmarx:Banking? Insurance? The entire economy is on the brink of collapse due to 'self regulation' actually, we haven't had any resemblance of a Free Market since the late 1800's, and, especially, since 1913....pile on a ton of regulation here and there, and that is why you have the current disaster today. Might as well toss in fraud and the government not adhering to property rights and voluntary contracts (one of the VERY few legitimate practices of the government IMHO) and sure, you'll have our current disaster.
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