New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working in All Things Macintosh http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21400094 en Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:50:51 EDT Mon, 09 Nov 2009 04:50:51 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21403000 stonhinge :
said by Shadow01 See Profile :

How about paying them what it takes to get them to stay?
Paying them to stay means nothing if they were working as a contracted hire. If the terms that say the contract is up, then unless they renegotiate, you don't work for them any more. If the work you were there to do is done, then there's no reason to contract again.

Simply put: NCAs are in place to keep you from taking all the knowledge one company hired you for, to another company - who can take advantage of the fact that all the kinks have been worked out already.

Also - non-competes usually also have a non-disclosure.

And since Papermaster is an exec, he has a bit more insight on the inner workings of IBM. While the same methods probably wouldn't work at Apple, sometimes knowing HOW your competition does things is almost as important as knowing WHAT they're doing. Which is why you'll notice on a lot of internal company documents the legalese that states that "this document is property of so-and-so and any use outside the company is prohibited"
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The Monkey]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21402921 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:00:05 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21402133 Shadow01 :
said by The Dv8or See Profile :

If you dont sign contracts, as Dolemite is opposed to, whats to stop AMD's top developers from going to Intel with AMD's latest development secrets? It goes far beyond Apple and IBM.
How about paying them what it takes to get them to stay?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21402133 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:11:36 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401728 bbarrera :
said by Mike See Profile :

The lawsuit was based in New York. Counter in California and throw it out.
That won't work because Mark Papermaster worked for IBM in Texas and agreed to a New York venue for disputes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401728 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:46:10 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401693 Titus Pullo :
said by The Dv8or See Profile :

If you dont sign contracts, as Dolemite is opposed to, whats to stop AMD's top developers from going to Intel with AMD's latest development secrets? It goes far beyond Apple and IBM.
Nothing.

I see nothing wrong with an enforceable NDA; if you sign one, and are paid, then you should honor it. I believe that's what hush money is all about.
That being said, NDA's usually support the utter bowl-splatter that is ultimately the failed marketing concept known as the free market. Apple's NDA/SDK with the app store is a perfect example. Off topic, granted, but it goes to the core of why there are NDAs.
Just sayin ...
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I had a teacher a while back who was under an NDA with Toshiba. After Blu-Ray came out, she could say that's what she had been working on. All she would tell us before then was that it was "really cool".

Oh, and Dolemite, it's nice to have someone tell you you have to stop working for a company - until you realize that you're not getting paid.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401683 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:34:31 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401584 ptrowski :
said by wmcbrine See Profile :

said by The Dv8or See Profile :

How do you prevent your top developers from going to competitors with your biggest secrets then?
Adopt a business model that doesn't depend on secrecy?

But actually, most already have that. They want secrecy a lot more than they need it.
Exactly.
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The lawsuit was based in New York. Counter in California and throw it out. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401561 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:08:39 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401450 bbarrera :
said by The Dv8or See Profile :

How do you prevent your top developers from going to competitors with your biggest secrets then?
In California non-competes are not legal, therefore you have two options:
- sue former employees for violating NDA
- golden parachute tied to not working for a competitor

For example Apple is paying Tony Fadell $300K/year + stock options until 2010 for his 'special advisor to Steve Jobs' consulting role. If he goes to work for a competitor then Apple will stop paying him.
»www.appleinsider.com/articles/08···ore.html]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401450 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:44:57 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401103 Mike : Yes.

Apple is developing an ARM processor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401103 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 16:30:31 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21401069 wmcbrine :
said by The Dv8or See Profile :

How do you prevent your top developers from going to competitors with your biggest secrets then?
Adopt a business model that doesn't depend on secrecy?

But actually, most already have that. They want secrecy a lot more than they need it.
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And while I don't think IBM is the TOP competitor to Apple, I definitely think they are competitors. IBM sells entry and mid level servers, as well as powerful workstations, which match up well to the Xserve and Mac Pro.
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said by The Dv8or See Profile :

How do you prevent your top developers from going to competitors with your biggest secrets then?
Is Apple really a top competitor of IBM ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21400765 Sun, 09 Nov 2008 15:01:45 EDT Re: New Apple hire Mark Papermaster must stop working http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,21400744 The Dv8or : How do you prevent your top developers from going to competitors with your biggest secrets then?
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Federal District Judge Kenneth Karas in White Plains ordered that Mark Papermaster "immediately cease his employment with Apple Inc until further order of this court."

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