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SD6

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reply to wifi4milez
Re: Yes, this was a total con

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said by marigolds See Profile :

What I mean is, I wonder if since ATT/Verizon are deploying using their phone infrastructure, if they are considered to have high enough penetration to not be overbuilders. In other words, FIOS and U-Verse are viewed as advanced service deployments and not basic service deployments. (Buildout requirements are applied to advanced services as well.)
Uverse is nothing more than DSL, so it shouldnt apply there. FIOS is not using the telephone infrastructure at all, so it shouldnt apply to them either.
Actually, in New York, FIOS is considered to be an upgrade of the telephone infrastructure.

And FCC has a lot of authority over carriers for other than voice service, CATV franchising for one.

And Uverse is more than DSL.


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said by SD6 See Profile :

Actually, in New York, FIOS is considered to be an upgrade of the telephone infrastructure.
That might be true, although I have no information to support or refute it.

said by SD6 See Profile :

And FCC has a lot of authority over carriers for other than voice service, CATV franchising for one.
They have authority over many things, however as far as I know the only build out requirements they cover are for POTS service.

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And Uverse is more than DSL.
How do you figure? Its nothing more than VDSL.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_High_···ber_Line
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said by marigolds See Profile :

The FCC decides now.
The FCC made a rule that franchise buildout requirements have to be waived for new entrants into an established market. The LFA has no choice in that matter. I think at one point the LFA could apply buildout requirements to overbuilders, but that has not been the case since somewhere in the mid 90s.
Beyond that, the LFA still has the authority to establish buildout requirements for the incumbent (and they get very specific) and can specify buildout requirements for an overbuilder, but the overbuilder has an escape clause that if their penetration is below a certain amount the requirements are waived. I cannot remember the FCC cutoff off the top of my head (it may be as low as 20% penetration, but I think it's determined by market share), but most franchise agreements set an even higher bar because they want to encourage overbuilders.
Of course, overbuilders are ridiculously hard to recruit. Even when you wave all the buildout requirements and place a cost share on I-net and similar requirements (you cannot waive those, or the incumbent will have you in court), most overbuilders will not even bother to return your letters. The franchise I worked with would recruit 8-12 overbuilders every year to come overbuild our franchise, and only 1 ever got as far as drafting up a franchise agreement (which they never signed).
Some additional discussion of local build out requirements is going on at »FiOS Coming To Philly
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SD6

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said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by SD6 See Profile :

Actually, in New York, FIOS is considered to be an upgrade of the telephone infrastructure.
That might be true, although I have no information to support or refute it.

said by SD6 See Profile :

And FCC has a lot of authority over carriers for other than voice service, CATV franchising for one.
They have authority over many things, however as far as I know the only build out requirements they cover are for POTS service.

said by SD6 See Profile :

And Uverse is more than DSL.
How do you figure? Its nothing more than VDSL.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_High_···ber_Line
Please don't present as facts things you don't know or have information for.


wifi4milez
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said by SD6 See Profile :

said by wifi4milez See Profile :

said by SD6 See Profile :

Actually, in New York, FIOS is considered to be an upgrade of the telephone infrastructure.
That might be true, although I have no information to support or refute it.

said by SD6 See Profile :

And FCC has a lot of authority over carriers for other than voice service, CATV franchising for one.
They have authority over many things, however as far as I know the only build out requirements they cover are for POTS service.

said by SD6 See Profile :

And Uverse is more than DSL.
How do you figure? Its nothing more than VDSL.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_High_···ber_Line
Please don't present as facts things you don't know or have information for.
I am not sure what exactly you are refuting, however Uverse is delivered over VDSL in the vast majority of installs, thats a fact.
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