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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by rainallday :I noticed over the last few days that my download speed has been capped? at 5.5 (6.0 package)..For the last 2 years it has been a steady 6.1 ....so the difference, while not that much, was noticable right away.. That is probably not capping. I would suspect either there is some trouble on the line, or a bridge tap has somehow gotten on the line. You may want to take a look at your modem stats. | |
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| said by rainallday :I noticed over the last few days that my download speed has been capped? at 5.5 (6.0 package)..For the last 2 years it has been a steady 6.1 ....so the difference, while not that much, was noticable right away.. That's not capping at all. Capping is an invisible limit like you going over your cellphone limits, you can still go over, but you get charged, nothing changes with your service.
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by Mizzat :said by rainallday : That's not capping at all. Capping is an invisible limit like you going over your cellphone limits, you can still go over, but you get charged, nothing changes with your service. Now where is the "they are capping my torrents and NZB newgroups post"? Well, it WAS on newsgroups that I noticed it..for years 6.0-6.2.....then suddenly recently steady 5.4-5.5.....But its all good, thats not big enough difference to sweat over..:) thx both for replying. -- Click everyday to feed a Rescue Animal | |
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| said by signmeuptoo :I've heard that ATT is planning on putting bandwidth caps on us. What is so bad about bandwidth caps?  | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by Jimmy09 :
You know i thought this was the land of the free...America and the internet was one of them..And now we are getting Bandwidth caps?? I mean i log online everyday and i don't have to worry about "Oh i wonder how close i am to my cap" but now...if this does go into effect it feels like i am being controlled by a company and i thought this country was free??
To be honest
I miss Bellsouth they would of probably never done this to us southeast region people How soon we forget about dial-up caps, eh? | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by Mizzat :said by Jimmy09 :
You know i thought this was the land of the free...America and the internet was one of them..And now we are getting Bandwidth caps?? I mean i log online everyday and i don't have to worry about "Oh i wonder how close i am to my cap" but now...if this does go into effect it feels like i am being controlled by a company and i thought this country was free??
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I miss Bellsouth they would of probably never done this to us southeast region people How soon we forget about dial-up caps, eh? Ya know,, Thats not even a fair comparison.. There are way more dialup isp's due to the fact they call can be accessed over the phone line.. With DSL your stuck with your provider in the area.. And if they are evil, your cable option is the next thing and last for most.. And usually both isn't available..
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by decifal :said by Mizzat :said by Jimmy09 :
You know i thought this was the land of the free...America and the internet was one of them..And now we are getting Bandwidth caps?? I mean i log online everyday and i don't have to worry about "Oh i wonder how close i am to my cap" but now...if this does go into effect it feels like i am being controlled by a company and i thought this country was free??
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I miss Bellsouth they would of probably never done this to us southeast region people How soon we forget about dial-up caps, eh? Ya know,, Thats not even a fair comparison.. There are way more dialup isp's due to the fact they call can be accessed over the phone line.. With DSL your stuck with your provider in the area.. And if they are evil, your cable option is the next thing and last for most.. And usually both isn't available.. Sure its a fine comparison. Guess who they all bought their PRIs from? Guess who they connected to the backbone through? They are resellers, there are plenty that do that with DSL now as well. | |
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| said by Jimmy09 :
You know i thought this was the land of the free...America and the internet was one of them..And now we are getting Bandwidth caps?? I mean i log online everyday and i don't have to worry about "Oh i wonder how close i am to my cap" but now...if this does go into effect it feels like i am being controlled by a company and i thought this country was free??
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I miss Bellsouth they would of probably never done this to us southeast region people What in the world does this have to do with America being a "free" country?
Do you want your electricity, gas, phone, car and house free?
I don't know if we'll ever get bandwidth caps, for your assumptions of what America should give you free is way, way off base. -- No good deed goes unpunished. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? Free is one thing. Paying for a service and then the company deciding that they don't want to provide the service that you contracted for is quite another. When I signed up for Bellsouth DSL, it clearly stated that it was unlimited usage. Now, if they want to change it, that is breach of contract and I have no obligation to stay with the service. Of course, my contract length was something like two years and it has been fulfilled, but still, as long as I don't change my service plan, the contract should still be in effect. Those of us that have been with Bellsouth/ATT should be grandfathered in with the same service that we signed up for. If ATT can't live up to a contract, then I'm more than willing to take my money elsewhere. -- DSL Extreme 6.0
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by beldin :Of course, my contract length was something like two years and it has been fulfilled Then your contract is for the period of your billing cycle. In other words, your contract is now monthly and not for as long as you maintain service. | |
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| said by beldin :Paying for a service and then the company deciding that they don't want to provide the service that you contracted for is quite another. When I signed up for Bellsouth DSL, it clearly stated that it was unlimited usage. That is completely and utterly wrong. There has never been any statement in any contract that clearly stated unlimited usage. To the contrary, the original BellSouth Terms of Service and Acceptable Use Policy actually stated that BellSouth could limit or terminate your service if you use excessive bandwidth. The AT&T AUP is almost an exact duplicate of the older BellSouth AUP. »my.att.net/csbellsouth/s/s.dll?s···&leg=aup | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? If I may inject some useful dialogue... Just as I have stated in another forum,the manipulating effect of "throttling down", capping, "policing", "shaping" are all done on the WAN/ATM virtual side of the circuit... With the illusion of blazing fast "sync rates"... Basically, Bell can give you a 6Mg DSLAM profile, but only allow 128k through layer 2 via the switch or layer 3 via the router....
Without properly researching, I am confident to believe that in everybody's contract is a loophole for Bell to cut service without penalty or future retribution, Per their assumptions or beliefs.. What I know is NOT in the populations contract is manipulative marketing or blatantly lying to us with this "glorified" champion to the customers "Max Sync".... Which is nothing but creative way to present the appearance of this massive bandwidth, when in reality it is only from customer to DSLAM.. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by rid0617 :This garbage is about to change once Obama appoints folks to the FCC who will not be in bed with ISP and DSL folks I suspect that AT&T is hurrying up and implementing caps in order to present the Obama administration with a fait accompli. We may expect to see caps applied across all markets by Inaugeration Day. -- HCN: Because you deserve a rest!
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| The unfortunate situation here is (as often happens) that some people who abuse and misuse their connections end up ruining it for the rest.
Obviously, I'd love unlimited bandwidth forever at the lowest price, but things change due to business reality. Prices will go up and service will decline or change from time to time.
Most people can live easily within reasonable limits, and those people who live to download porn, pirated music and software, or run a business off a residential connection should pay for that level of service. | |
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join:2000-06-12 Nashville, TN | My Bellsouth service pre-ATT was consistently 1.5/256. Post changeover to ATT is is 1.25/200. ATT techs say it is within their "service guidelines" and I should just shut up and be happy. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? You may have a problem somewhere, but it is not related to Bandwith Caps- which don't really exist today in any case.
I doubt if your speed drop was related to any changeover from BellSouth to AT&T. I don't doubt your claim that the speed has dropped, but I would certainly suggest tweaking your connection as suggested in the following FAQ:
»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ -- No good deed goes unpunished. | |
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join:2000-06-12 Nashville, TN | Re: Bandwidth caps? Been there. Done that. No change.
But, thanks for the advice, anyway.
Maybe there is no correlation between ATTs takeover and the drop, but it does seem strange. | |
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join:2004-03-19 Here | 1.2/200 is expected throughput on a 1.5Mb/s line with standard overhead. You must have been on a max sync profile earlier. It was probably changed during a maintenance cut. It had nothing to do with the merger. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by bogey780 :1.2/200 is expected throughput on a 1.5Mb/s line with standard overhead. You must have been on a max sync profile earlier. It was probably changed during a maintenance cut. Wonder why they would arbitrarily reduce a speed that was obviously working? | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by Jon J :said by bogey780 :1.2/200 is expected throughput on a 1.5Mb/s line with standard overhead. You must have been on a max sync profile earlier. It was probably changed during a maintenance cut. Wonder why they would arbitrarily reduce a speed that was obviously working? The problem shall be found in an ATM tax on the circuit, MAX SYNC is a neat way for Bell to hide that network tax on each person... Actually robbing customers o what they were advertised for... Even from an insider standpoint, that is without just asking a buddy to change it and wait for the next network audit to catch it, I'd suggest calling the FCC and making a complaint concerning that problem.. A member of the ATT Executive Escalation team shall call you back and resolve the issue in 20 mins... PLUS, with more and more complaints, the FCC shall eventually force Bell South to provide exact service to all without hassle... | |
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1 edit | Re: Bandwidth caps? You're not an AT&T SE insider. What you said is factually flawed and your summation is wrong on all accounts.
He was probably shifted from one port to another or his line couldn't sustain max sync speeds for some reason I souldn't speculate on. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by bogey780 :You're not an AT&T SE insider. What you said is factually flawed and your summation is wrong on all accounts. He was probably shifted from one port to another or his line couldn't sustain max sync speeds for some reason I souldn't speculate on. Hmmmm.... Do the math, ATM over head is anywhere from 18-22%... Anyway Bogey, hope your way works out for you. | |
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| said by bogey780 :He was probably shifted from one port to another or his line couldn't sustain max sync speeds for some reason I souldn't speculate on. Any changes were instigated by ATT for no apparent reason and are to my detriment. | |
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| said by bell insider :The problem shall be found in an ATM tax on the circuit, Considering that the OP states he was formerly getting 1.5/256, and considering that ATM didn't suddenly magically appear on his circuit, I think it's likely some other issue.
said by bell insider :MAX SYNC is a neat way for Bell to hide that network tax on each person... Actually robbing customers o what they were advertised for... You seem to misunderstand what max sync is, and how it works. Perhaps if you read up a bit on it you'd understand better...here's a link to the FAQ: »AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »MaxSync Profile?
Max Sync allows the modem to sync with the DSLAM at the maximum downstream rate. The line is then shaped via radius to whatever speed the customer is paying for. And AT&T SE overprovisions all the radius profiles so that the subscribers do indeed see the full downstream speeds.
Far from "robbing customers o what they were advertised for" (sic), Max Sync is a means of ensuring that they do get exactly what is advertised and what they're paying for. Barring, of course, other issues on the line.
To the OP, I second FAQ's suggestion. Before blaming anything else, check the stats and see what's going on there. It may be a provisioning issue as Bogey suggests, but rule out a physical issue first. Don't just assume... | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? RJ, We again butt head on issues that, I have other knowledge than you.. I understand that if you have been brought up to believe that the world is flat by Bell South, then when I come along to tell you how it is really round... It doesn't make alot of sense... However, if you would care to explore in the other regional forums and do yourself a favor and ask questions about how things are working properly, ya might be of greater assistance to the peopel that are depending on you making quality decisions...
Contrary to the propaganda given to you and others to view and discover "miracle" ways to fix them screwing customers... What people fail to realize.... Bell South and its miracle max sync stuff is only doing one thing.... Giving the customer the appearance(only from house to DSLAM) of blazing fast speeds, while they cap the virtual side of the circuit on Layer 2 & 3 through bandwidth tax... Per AT&T Executive Office, Bell South does not, by policy, over provision Layer 2, therefore even if over provisioned in the Radius layer (Layer 3)... It still has not been given lower in the encapsulation, thus can not multiply on Layer 3. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? Again, you know nothing of how BellSouth provisioned their circuits and you have a flawed understanding of how the system works.
'Bell South and its miracle max sync stuff is only doing one thing.... Giving the customer the appearance(only from house to DSLAM) of blazing fast speeds'
Corvettes and GT-R's give the appearance of blazing fast speed as well apparently. | |
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| said by bell insider :RJ, We again butt head on issues that, I have other knowledge than you.. Oh, you definitely have other "knowledge", I freely admit that.
Please use that knowledge to explain to all the BellSouth customers who are getting in excess of 6Mbps downloads to sites all over the country, that they are being throttled below 6 Meg at layer two.
When you've finished, please explain to me how it's possible for someone throttled to 6 meg or below at layer 2 to achieve speeds greater than 6 meg.
FWIW, I totally agree with you that speeds can't be multiplied on layer three above what they're set to at layer two. So there must be some other explanation for the phenomenon. The only one I can think of is that they AREN'T being throttled at layer two. But I'd love to hear your theory. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? DSL Sync is a Layer 1 physical characteristic.. Layer 2 is data flow, layer 3 routing ... Capping or shaping being the vendor(depending on which vendor) specific term within the switch provisioning and shapping being router specific to the RedBack, or "throttling" as the other chosen term can be done with the illusion of 3.0 Meg speeds.. However, sync rate and data flow are entirely different animals, as I can give you 3.0 sync but provision 128k virtual bandwidth on either the switch or router.... Although, the automated network audit shall correct this 1 way or another... which is why some people "all of a sudden" get problems... it is in the provisioning and the computer audit made a human decision incorrectly... | |
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| If they are still testing, that means its not yet implemented right?
Also.. they say it will be placed before the end of the year.. we only have one month left... oh boy!
Just wondering as there are 2 more days left in the month and I am running close!! Can't believe it but 20GB for my 768/128kbps I will have to cope with  | |
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| I'm still throttled down to 5.5 from the 6.2 that it was for years..Started around the beginning of November I think...Not a single change on my end for at least the last 2 years...I know it's not a big change, but it's a change for sure...  -- Click everyday to feed a Rescue Animal | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by rainallday :I'm still throttled down to 5.5 from the 6.2 that it was for years..Started around the beginning of November I think...Not a single change on my end for at least the last 2 years...I know it's not a big change, but it's a change for sure... You're not being throttled, you have some sort of problem. See this FAQ and post your modem stats here. FAQ:»AT&T Southeast Forum FAQ »I'm not getting the advertised DSL speeds. What's wrong? What can I do? | |
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| Some of these "caps are necessary" posts are probably coming from AT&T employees. And for the most part it is BS. As I have said a million times on these forums for AT&T to see and read and I will repeat again exhaustively, if AT&T implements caps I am gone. I will not pay $43/mo for a service that I have to worry about that with. I do not abuse my connection. I only use it for what I need to (not hogging the connection all day and night downloading stuff). In any case AT&T will lose a customer who is currently happy with his service if they do this. Even though I do not abuse my connection I will not tolerate the caps. I won't hear of it any other way. | |
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1 edit | Re: Bandwidth caps? said by mikes60 :I don't understand why you "won't tolerate caps" if the caps are more than high enough to satisfy your needs. The reason is that usage is trending upward, I watch TV using Amazon on-Demand with my Tivo. On average I download about 8-9 shows or movies a month between my wife and myself. We also watch things on Hulu, stream music etc...
We started doing this about 6 months ago and it wouldn't surprise me to see more and more entertainment move this way. Do we want to be in a situation 2 years from now where good shows are available online only and 15 gigs each (Assuming HD movies or TV shows) but we can't watch more than 2-3 episodes a week due to a cap?
No offense to the provider but if I was a telco executive and I thought I could get away with it I would enjoy all the usage fees that it would bring in so can we really expect them to act in our interests to keep the caps up with potential demand?
I recently visited South Africa on business and the cap there is 4 gigs a month. The guys there were telling me that the cap was no big deal 3-4 years ago but as usage grew the telco had no incentive to increase the cap. I can see this happening here. | |
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| Re: Bandwidth caps? said by DA :said by mikes60 :I don't understand why you "won't tolerate caps" if the caps are more than high enough to satisfy your needs. The reason is that usage is trending upward, I watch TV using Amazon on-Demand with my Tivo. On average I download about 8-9 shows or movies a month between my wife and myself. We also watch things on Hulu, stream music etc... We started doing this about 6 months ago and it wouldn't surprise me to see more and more entertainment move this way. Do we want to be in a situation 2 years from now where good shows are available online only and 15 gigs each (Assuming HD movies or TV shows) but we can't watch more than 2-3 episodes a week due to a cap? No offense to the provider but if I was a telco executive and I thought I could get away with it I would enjoy all the usage fees that it would bring in so can we really expect them to act in our interests to keep the caps up with potential demand? I recently visited South Africa on business and the cap there is 4 gigs a month. The guys there were telling me that the cap was no big deal 3-4 years ago but as usage grew the telco had no incentive to increase the cap. I can see this happening here. Allowing A-N-Y cap is a precedent that leads to larger bills and excessive profits for the monopoly Telco's.. Additionally, it isn't like there is a safety issue, as with rev-limiters/governors on vehicles.... If I buy a fast car, it was sold to me that way... telling me I can only drive the Autobahn once a week is insane !!! | |
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Some of these "caps are necessary" posts are probably coming from AT&T employees. And for the most part it is BS. As I have said a million times on these forums for AT&T to see and read and I will repeat again exhaustively, if AT&T implements caps I am gone. I will not pay $43/mo for a service that I have to worry about that with. I do not abuse my connection. I only use it for what I need to (not hogging the connection all day and night downloading stuff). In any case AT&T will lose a customer who is currently happy with his service if they do this. Even though I do not abuse my connection I will not tolerate the caps. I won't hear of it any other way. And go where? Cable? They already have caps... | |
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| I'm another AT&T customer who without second thought will not only cancel POTS (I only got it for the DSL years ago anyway), but my highest (residential) tier DSL service. No, I do not abuse my service (I work in a datacenter - I have all the bandwidth in the world), but I will NOT tolerate being capped. Even though I'm sure I'd fall far beneath it, I don't want that worry. What if I want to throw a LAN party for a few days? What if everyone in my household decides to go on a youtube/myspace/whathaveyou spree that month? No. I'll go to Charter cable the minute I find that I've been capped.
AT&T, you will LOSE me (and several other people I know) and ALL my services if you put a cap on me. Even if it's 2TB. | |
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