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Re: Franchise Reform honors the Constitution

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Not to mention that S_engineer 's links list macro level details while most arguments against franchise reform highlight micro level concerns.

There were maps at the links.

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I think it is worthwhile to look at the Verizon map of Illinois (only state i looked at in detail so far).
Clearly there is something interesting going on there with the specific villages they chose. But still, selection at the community level is okay; it is selection at the block or household level that gets into the cherrypicking problem.

Do you have references for the block/household data points? That's the info I'm looking for to discuss the "cherry picking" accusations.

I can easily get the demographics from the Census ACS.
Getting it from Verizon though? No clue.

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If the goal is to discuss accusations of "cherry picking" what good is lining up education and income demographics for Illinois without Verizon deployment stats? Verizon's wireline map only shows that they provide service spottily throughout the state. Considering DSLR's user FiOS map only shows three "exact" locations, I don't see any meaningful statistics to aid the "cherry picking" argument.

It's useful in Illinois because Illinois has the village concept, a unit that is smaller than a township.
This means that the Illinois map is a little higher resolution than most states. Of course, this does not help you with FIOS, only with where Verizon is deploying line service.
I'm not at all familiar with the differences between the federal tariffs and whether or not that would reflect different types of service deployment.
Anyway, it's not enough to draw good conclusions, so without knowing where Verizon deploys you really cannot answer the cherrypicking question one way or the other.
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Agreed that a valid conclusion can't be drawn either way based on the limited information. Thanks for the dialog.

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first of all, after reading my posts, I noticed that i never said that I was using fios as an example. I'm sorry for that, it was a long day and i was tired. The purpose was to show where there was at least a trend in fios deployments. Are there variances, of course. Should additional data be looked at, absolutely. But it at least appears support the argument regarding cherry picking. Or at least that more affluent areas are getting the deployments.
now whether or not that cherry picking is right or wrong is a separate argument.
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It very well may be coincidental. It certainly needs to be more detailed. Keep in mind that Verizon was just an example. But the example I chose at least at first glance appears to support Verizon deploying in a majority of the wealthier areas. This obviously would be a bigger project than one person can do in one day. Something I may take up to prove or disprove my point just because I'm more curious.
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If you undertake such a project, please let me know as I'm interested as well.

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If you can get the deployment information put together, I can do the spatial correlation against any census statistic in a few hours.

Are we talking Fios, or should we encompass uverse into the mix?

Whatever you can find. Just make sure not to mix the two since they are two different companies