mrchris
We don't miss you Bush
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | Pull them off This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. | |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
 ·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Pull them off My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. They need to figure out a MANDATORY method to prevent computers from being bots, and quick. This is a serious issue which shouldn't be going on anymore. It's 2008 and we're still dealing with issues from 2000.
Many sites will simply go out of business when they ddos them for longer then 2-3 days. Luckily for me it lasted only 1 day. | |
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 | patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Pull them off Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. | |
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Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Re: Pull them off said by patcat88  :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. id say allow them up to an iMac, that way they get a real computer do use things like word or open office on but still present a much lower danger to the internet then the typical customer using windows.
*im not promoting Mac, but lets just say ive encountered people already while working in ISP support who dont even have XP servicepack 1. i wish we had a way to sense that and lock them out of anything but windows update when they are that far behind.
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wxboss
This is like Deja vu all over again.
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join:2005-01-30
Jacksonville, FL
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| Re: Pull them off said by rawwhide :Most people just need » www.webtv.com/pc/No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!! They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then.  Then your tv will be flooded with unsolicited, risque lingerie ads - oh, wait a minute...what was that website again. 
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Snowy
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| Lol, WebTV. They still offer that? People actually use it?
*looks around in confusion*
*comes back after a few minutes of research*
You do realize that someone will manage to enslave the WebTV's too? Even if they don't, no one should have one of those stupid things. Desktops/Laptops are so much better. They do more, anything you want, in fact. | |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | Even macs are included in the whole bot net problem, so don't try to play that card They are less but that's because less people out there use them. | |
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join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of....
An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The main point here is the bandwidth used. Even though you may be blocking them, the traffic coming to your appliance still goes over your pipe (aka, still being charged for it). The only thing an appliance would be good for (NOTE: in THIS situation) would be to just drop the traffic. That way you are only sending data over your pipe once (in, but not out). Hence, only have to pay half the price it would have cost you. | |
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Pull them off said by utahluge :said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of.... An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The OP's intent, unless I'm mistaken, is to require licensing for running a computer on the internet, otherwise all you can use to browse or access is an internet appliance. | |
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GamerGeek
join:2003-07-26
Fortuna, CA
| said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that... | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: Pull them off said by GamerGeek :said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that... Outlaws (people who would get computer license, or illegally have one) are few compared to the sheep (joe six pack with internet appliance). | |
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| utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| said by pspcrazy :My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. ...and you all want bill-by-the-byte...
Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them.
Maybe now some of you will wake up (especially after being attacked). Its the combination of customers that cannot reach your site, the cost of your bandwidth, and then your reputation (word of mouth (or type) is very strong). In all reality, a simple virus could bring down unprepared sites/companies.
Education people. I admit, I did not educate my brother well enough. Just the other day I was helping him with his computer and when I realized his computer IP was an external, I stopped to check the firewall. Guess what? His firewall was turned OFF! I stopped everything I was doing to turn it on and only allow minimal exceptions. I even went as far as to give him a spare router/firewall I had lying around.
ISP's shouldn't be the 'police' of their users. BUT, if they offered their users opt-IN to spam protection, that would be wonderful! Just throttle the user and have an auto-generated email saying what is going on. That way they are not completely cut-off and then the ISP can either open it back up or assist (tell where to go to get help) the customer based on what the customer wants. | |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: Pull them off With the addition of the bandwith that gets used up in the first hour of the attack, for me with a gigabit port it adds up fast :| Personally I hate caps because it'll cost people that are bots, and they'll never know since it's mostly non technical people who become bots in the first place, so they won't hit their caps either way. | |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| Re: Pull them off said by pspcrazy :With the addition of the bandwith that gets used up in the first hour of the attack, for me with a gigabit port it adds up fast :| Personally I hate caps because it'll cost people that are bots, and they'll never know since it's mostly non technical people who become bots in the first place, so they won't hit their caps either way. It's pretty easy for an ISP to tell if a user is a zombie. While I doubt an ISP will patrol this on their own, if a user suddenly uses 10x the bandwidth of last month, it's pretty trivial to figure out why when they call in asking what their overage charge is for. | |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| said by mrchris :This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though. | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
| Re: Pull them off said by Matt :said by mrchris :This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems. I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though. But think of the bandwidth they'd save | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | Re: Pull them off 95% of japan uses IE. Nobody knows what Firefox is. | |
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join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL
clubs: | Re: Pull them off Firefox ...... that's an airplane, right ??? | |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Yeah, if only US ISPs could tell the rest of the world what to do...  | |
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA | and killing their connection when attacks or spam are detected from their connection. | |
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