BloodRoses
Gods lend wings to tainted hearts
Premium
join:2003-03-17
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to pspcrazy
Re: Pull them off
Macs, and any *NIX machine in general is an overall bigger target because it's more likely to be connected to a broadband connection, and the stability and versatility that a *NIX system offers is much more powerful.
Rootkits, rather than viruses, have been our major problem and they are more or less universal across systems.
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rahlquist
Redeye
join:2001-10-30
Villa Rica, GA | reply to mrchris
and killing their connection when attacks or spam are detected from their connection. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88  :Nobody knows what Firefox is. Apparently more people know about it then you think |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
·North State Commun..
| reply to pspcrazy
said by pspcrazy :With the addition of the bandwith that gets used up in the first hour of the attack, for me with a gigabit port it adds up fast :| Personally I hate caps because it'll cost people that are bots, and they'll never know since it's mostly non technical people who become bots in the first place, so they won't hit their caps either way. It's pretty easy for an ISP to tell if a user is a zombie. While I doubt an ISP will patrol this on their own, if a user suddenly uses 10x the bandwidth of last month, it's pretty trivial to figure out why when they call in asking what their overage charge is for. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to GamerGeek
said by GamerGeek :said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that... Outlaws (people who would get computer license, or illegally have one) are few compared to the sheep (joe six pack with internet appliance). |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA | reply to Kearnstd
Even macs are included in the whole bot net problem, so don't try to play that card  They are less but that's because less people out there use them. |
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GamerGeek
join:2003-07-26
Fortuna, CA
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that... |
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Snowy
@comcast.net
| reply to rawwhide
Lol, WebTV. They still offer that? People actually use it?
*looks around in confusion*
*comes back after a few minutes of research*
You do realize that someone will manage to enslave the WebTV's too? Even if they don't, no one should have one of those stupid things. Desktops/Laptops are so much better. They do more, anything you want, in fact. |
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pspcrazy
Anime Freak
join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to espaeth
With the addition of the bandwith that gets used up in the first hour of the attack, for me with a gigabit port it adds up fast :| Personally I hate caps because it'll cost people that are bots, and they'll never know since it's mostly non technical people who become bots in the first place, so they won't hit their caps either way. |
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espaeth
Digital Plumber
Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
 ·voip.ms
·Vitelity VOIP
·Callcentric
·VoiceStick
·ViaTalk
·Comcast
·Embarq
| reply to utahluge
said by utahluge :said by pspcrazy :My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. ...and you all want bill-by-the-byte... Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them. Hosting providers already have usage-based billing, and most have an exception process for denial of service attacks where the traffic is excluded from your bill.
The expense that pspcrazy is likely talking about is a DDoS filtering service like ProxySheild from Gigeservers. |
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jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to mrchris
Yeah, if only US ISPs could tell the rest of the world what to do...  |
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wxboss
This is like Deja vu all over again.
Premium
join:2005-01-30
Jacksonville, FL
clubs:
·Comcast
| reply to rawwhide
said by rawwhide :Most people just need » www.webtv.com/pc/No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!! They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then.  Then your tv will be flooded with unsolicited, risque lingerie ads - oh, wait a minute...what was that website again.
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"A study in the Washington Post says that women have better verbal skills
than men. I just want to say to the authors of that study: Duh."
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birdfeedr
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-11
Warwick, RI
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to utahluge
said by utahluge :said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of.... An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The OP's intent, unless I'm mistaken, is to require licensing for running a computer on the internet, otherwise all you can use to browse or access is an internet appliance. |
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rawwhide
Zer0
Premium
join:2000-09-03
Zero
clubs:
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to Kearnstd
Most people just need »www.webtv.com/pc/
No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!!
They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then.
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utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| reply to pspcrazy
said by pspcrazy :My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need. ...and you all want bill-by-the-byte...
Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them.
Maybe now some of you will wake up (especially after being attacked). Its the combination of customers that cannot reach your site, the cost of your bandwidth, and then your reputation (word of mouth (or type) is very strong). In all reality, a simple virus could bring down unprepared sites/companies.
Education people. I admit, I did not educate my brother well enough. Just the other day I was helping him with his computer and when I realized his computer IP was an external, I stopped to check the firewall. Guess what? His firewall was turned OFF! I stopped everything I was doing to turn it on and only allow minimal exceptions. I even went as far as to give him a spare router/firewall I had lying around.
ISP's shouldn't be the 'police' of their users. BUT, if they offered their users opt-IN to spam protection, that would be wonderful! Just throttle the user and have an auto-generated email saying what is going on. That way they are not completely cut-off and then the ISP can either open it back up or assist (tell where to go to get help) the customer based on what the customer wants. |
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utahluge
join:2004-10-14
Draper, UT
·Comcast
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. Kind of....
An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The main point here is the bandwidth used. Even though you may be blocking them, the traffic coming to your appliance still goes over your pipe (aka, still being charged for it). The only thing an appliance would be good for (NOTE: in THIS situation) would be to just drop the traffic. That way you are only sending data over your pipe once (in, but not out). Hence, only have to pay half the price it would have cost you. |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to patcat88
said by patcat88 :Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. id say allow them up to an iMac, that way they get a real computer do use things like word or open office on but still present a much lower danger to the internet then the typical customer using windows.
*im not promoting Mac, but lets just say ive encountered people already while working in ISP support who dont even have XP servicepack 1. i wish we had a way to sense that and lock them out of anything but windows update when they are that far behind.
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kherr
Premium
join:2000-09-04
Collinsville, IL
clubs: | reply to patcat88
Firefox ...... that's an airplane, right ??? |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to wxboss
95% of japan uses IE. Nobody knows what Firefox is. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to pspcrazy
Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance. |
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