Topic 'Re: Pull them off' in forum '' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411772 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:56:56 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:56:56 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21415886
Rootkits, rather than viruses, have been our major problem and they are more or less universal across systems.
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Nobody knows what Firefox is.Apparently more people know about it then you think]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21415355 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:58:19 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21415252 said by pspcrazy:

With the addition of the bandwith that gets used up in the first hour of the attack, for me with a gigabit port it adds up fast :| Personally I hate caps because it'll cost people that are bots, and they'll never know since it's mostly non technical people who become bots in the first place, so they won't hit their caps either way.
It's pretty easy for an ISP to tell if a user is a zombie. While I doubt an ISP will patrol this on their own, if a user suddenly uses 10x the bandwidth of last month, it's pretty trivial to figure out why when they call in asking what their overage charge is for.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21415252 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 08:32:52 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21414759 said by GamerGeek:

said by patcat88:

Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance.
Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that...
Outlaws (people who would get computer license, or illegally have one) are few compared to the sheep (joe six pack with internet appliance).]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21414759 Wed, 12 Nov 2008 02:47:15 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413690 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413690 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:03:15 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413394 said by patcat88:

Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance.
Once you outlaw computers, only outlaws will have computers... or something like that...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413394 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:21:59 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413273 *looks around in confusion*

*comes back after a few minutes of research*
You do realize that someone will manage to enslave the WebTV's too? Even if they don't, no one should have one of those stupid things. Desktops/Laptops are so much better. They do more, anything you want, in fact.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413273 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 21:00:42 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413265 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413265 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:59:15 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413137 said by utahluge:

said by pspcrazy:

My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need.
...and you all want bill-by-the-byte...
Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them.Hosting providers already have usage-based billing, and most have an exception process for denial of service attacks where the traffic is excluded from your bill.

The expense that pspcrazy See Profile is likely talking about is a DDoS filtering service like ProxySheild from Gigeservers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21413137 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 20:40:38 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412815 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412815 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:47:47 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412793 said by rawwhide:

Most people just need »www.webtv.com/pc/

No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!!

They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then. :D
Then your tv will be flooded with unsolicited, risque lingerie ads - oh, wait a minute...what was that website again. :)
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said by patcat88:

Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance.
Kind of....
An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat.
The OP's intent, unless I'm mistaken, is to require licensing for running a computer on the internet, otherwise all you can use to browse or access is an internet appliance.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412788 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:42:02 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412572 www.webtv.com/pc/

No need for any real computing from a PC or a Mac!!

They want online without the hassle to secure themselves then they get Webtv then. :D
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My site is fairly large and when we were ddos'd we simply couldn't do anything but pay 2-3k more for something we shouldn't need....and you all want bill-by-the-byte...
Ok, maybe not all. BUT, I have been saying for quite some time now. People didn't believe me when I said that DDOS would be a problem with bill-by-the-byte. The above quote is only a sample of what I was talking about. I wish the report would have asked about how many times their sites have been DDOS attacked and how much it cost them.

Maybe now some of you will wake up (especially after being attacked). Its the combination of customers that cannot reach your site, the cost of your bandwidth, and then your reputation (word of mouth (or type) is very strong). In all reality, a simple virus could bring down unprepared sites/companies.

Education people. I admit, I did not educate my brother well enough. Just the other day I was helping him with his computer and when I realized his computer IP was an external, I stopped to check the firewall. Guess what? His firewall was turned OFF! I stopped everything I was doing to turn it on and only allow minimal exceptions. I even went as far as to give him a spare router/firewall I had lying around.

ISP's shouldn't be the 'police' of their users. BUT, if they offered their users opt-IN to spam protection, that would be wonderful! Just throttle the user and have an auto-generated email saying what is going on. That way they are not completely cut-off and then the ISP can either open it back up or assist (tell where to go to get help) the customer based on what the customer wants.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412283 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:22:27 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412185 said by patcat88:

Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance.
Kind of....
An appliance will only keep your site active while blocking the threat. The main point here is the bandwidth used. Even though you may be blocking them, the traffic coming to your appliance still goes over your pipe (aka, still being charged for it). The only thing an appliance would be good for (NOTE: in THIS situation) would be to just drop the traffic. That way you are only sending data over your pipe once (in, but not out). Hence, only have to pay half the price it would have cost you.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412185 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:07:21 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21412134 said by patcat88:

Computer license, otherwise you get an internet appliance.
id say allow them up to an iMac, that way they get a real computer do use things like word or open office on but still present a much lower danger to the internet then the typical customer using windows.

*im not promoting Mac, but lets just say ive encountered people already while working in ISP support who dont even have XP servicepack 1. i wish we had a way to sense that and lock them out of anything but windows update when they are that far behind.
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said by Matt:

said by mrchris:

This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems.
I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though.
But think of the bandwidth they'd save :D
Just kick Asia off the Internet :). They're big enough to create their own little intranet and then their bots can duke it out with each other.
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said by mrchris:

This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems.
I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though.
But think of the bandwidth they'd save :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411848 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:10:07 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411796 said by mrchris:

This is what you get for NOT educating people (enough) about the threats of the internet. Knock off those botted and spam relaying users until they clean their mess and secure their systems.
I agree. I think the ISPs are worried they'll be responsible for cleaning the infected PCs, which would be an astronomical resource drain and open them up for all kinds of liability though.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411796 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:01:42 EDT Re: Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411791
Many sites will simply go out of business when they ddos them for longer then 2-3 days. Luckily for me it lasted only 1 day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-Pull-them-off-21411791 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:00:25 EDT Pull them off http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Pull-them-off-21411772 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Pull-them-off-21411772 Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:56:57 EDT