S_engineer
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Re: Global Crossing & Hurricane Electric looked other way ??
Doing the right thing is very subjective in a society that allows for gratuitous violence and sex on the tube 24/7. People that have been trying to do the right thing are lambasted as a neocons. If federal or municiple authorities asked for compliance, then these 2 ISPs should adhere. Otherwise, you may be in a situation where allegations get innocents hurt. Why didn't this clown from the post run this past authorities...you know, the proper chain of command?
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Matt
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said by jhboricua  :If the evidence is there, why would the authorities ignore it? Some people just want any excuse to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, or at least their warped interpretation of it. So if the authorities don't show up, with a full contingent of SWAT operatives no less, they feel justified in taking action themselves. |
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amigo_boy
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said by S_engineer :Why didn't this clown from the post run this past authorities...you know, the proper chain of command? The article ends by saying there is more to come, but he just wanted to get this part of the story out now.
I don't see anything wrong with a reporter contacting potential co-conspirators as part of the story. If he didn't contact them, there would have been nothing on record concerning their position prior to law enforcement action (if/when it occurs).
I also don't see anything wrong with a reporter publishing a story instead of contacting law enforcement (presumably keeping the story secret?). The reporter's has a job to do. Publishing the story is just one of many ways to alert law enforcement (through public pressure).
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
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and some people want any excuse to diminish the 2nd ammendment right, or at least their skewed interpretation of it. So if you're a landlord throwing people out on the street because of a false allegation, or an allegation that did not go through the proper channels, be prepared for a full contingent of lawyers to be talking about your case. And when your getting thrown out of your house because of a bogus judgement, what will you be able to do????
Nothing, because you've gotten rid of your 2nd ammendment right.
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amigo_boy
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said by Matt :they feel justified in taking action themselves. I wouldn't mind seeing a more militant mindset among Americans. We paint ourselves as patriotic, the home of the brave, etc. But, if you travel through other parts of the world, they have a much stronger expression of such traits. For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."
Occasionally we read stories about a group of neighbors who beat the heck out of a burglary (or child molestation) suspect before the police arrive. Everyone gets a tingly feeling about that. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some episodes like that involving corporate executives.
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S_engineer
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Except for the fact that he may have just screwed a pending case. Not to mention there must be proof that these are violations of Global Crossings and Hurricanes policies. I think its hipocritical for people to ask for a form of "pseudo dumb pipe", and then bitch when they see some of the ramifications of those desires.
And is this the same Global Crossing that screwed investors out of 37 billion just 7 years ago?
Hey, I'm all for shuting them down. But only through the proper mechanisms.
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by emptywig :The idea that you MUST wait for law enforcement is ridiculous. If I am a landlord and someone notifies me(or I become aware in whatever manner) that one of my tenants is engaging in illegal activity on my property, then I am ABSOLUTELY obligated to investigate such activity and I am well within my rights to throw the f**k out anyone whom I find to be engaged in such. This is actually false. Tenants have considerable rights, depending on the state/city they live in. In many cases you cannot evict tenants because you have "investigated" and you believe they are doing something illegal, especially if they have a lease. In many cases you can't even evict them if they are convicted of a crime. To do so invites a large lawsuit. |
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S_engineer
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If thats the case (an I do understand the desire), then we should be marching on wall street and dc with pitch forks and torches in a scene reminiscent of Frankenstein.
However, we are and always will be, above that. The minute we're not, then we become the criminals that we abhore!
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MyDogHsFleas
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said by amigo_boy :said by Matt :they feel justified in taking action themselves. I wouldn't mind seeing a more militant mindset among Americans. We paint ourselves as patriotic, the home of the brave, etc. But, if you travel through other parts of the world, they have a much stronger expression of such traits. For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something." Occasionally we read stories about a group of neighbors who beat the heck out of a burglary (or child molestation) suspect before the police arrive. Everyone gets a tingly feeling about that. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some episodes like that involving corporate executives. Are you seriously advocating violent demonstrations as a normal everyday thing, and beatings of corporate executives? Is this troll/flamebait?
If you are being serious (which I doubt), I certainly don't want my country to be lke that. |
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amigo_boy
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2 edits | said by MyDogHsFleas :If you are being serious (which I doubt), I certainly don't want my country to be lke that. It was just an observation. I like the calm and orderly nature of our society. But, it's contradictory to our gleamy-eyed depiction of ourselves as rebellious, independent, militant. Other countries are far more militant, and encourage militancy. Heck, there are countries in Latin America that *require* voting (under penalty of law). They emphasize participation in the process, and openly allow demonstrations. Not demonstrations like ours, where you need a permit to march, and a safely cordoned zone, at a certain time of day.
For people who take the US founders' rhetoric seriously, the Latin American model is closer to the mark. For example, Jefferson's admonishment that this country should have a revolution every 20 years(?).
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SilverSurfer
join:2007-08-19
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said by amigo_boy : Why didn't EFF file a class action against these parties? Glad you asked - EFF is the leading civil liberties group defending your rights in the digital world.
To answer your question, had there been a civil liberties cause of action, then the EFF would have responded. But the proliferation of bots/spam/child pr0n is not and never has been a civil rights action. |
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emptywig
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said by MyDogHsFleas :This is actually false. Tenants have considerable rights, depending on the state/city they live in. In many cases you cannot evict tenants because you have "investigated" and you believe they are doing something illegal, especially if they have a lease. In many cases you can't even evict them if they are convicted of a crime. To do so invites a large lawsuit. The lease says person won't engage in illegal activity on the property (network). They do. They're gone. If they want to argue, well then here are the police to arrest them for the illegal activity.
The child-porn hosts can sue when they get out of prison.
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amigo_boy
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said by S_engineer :If thats the case (an I do understand the desire), then we should be marching on wall street and dc with pitch forks and torches in a scene reminiscent of Frankenstein. I agree. And, you have to admit, if we validated such "justice" we'd probably see more caution among execuctives (as it pertains to AIG's lavish parties after taxpayer bailout. Or, obscene differences in compensation.).
I'm not saying I'd prefer such a society. But, I'm not sure I prefer a society where it seems like people get away with anything, and have no shame, because the masses don't seem to be ashamed by *anything*.
When I'm in Latin America and see workers lawfully protesting inside the airport (not just silently walking in circles, but making violent, disruptive noise using musical instruments) it makes me wish we were a little less tolerant of things that should make us angry.
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amigo_boy
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said by SilverSurfer :But the proliferation of bots/spam/child pr0n is not and never has been a civil rights action. I have a right against being infested by spambots. And a right against spam mail. If EFF were truly a defender of rights, they would have filed a class action against these parties.
It would have improved everyone's use of the internet, in practical, tangible ways, than suing telcos.
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
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said by amigo_boy :said by MyDogHsFleas :If you are being serious (which I doubt), I certainly don't want my country to be lke that. For people who take the US founders' rhetoric seriously, the Latin American model is closer to the mark. For example, Jefferson's admonishment that this country should have a revolution ever 20 years(?). Mark And the purpose of revolting was to keep our government powers in check. My how we've strayed. But many of those rights have also been tweaked towards perfection. But human right violations are an integral part of the latin American model. Are we too supposed to emulate that? |
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hottboiinnc
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And you would want this to happen to your kids: »www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl···07160322 |
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amigo_boy
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said by S_engineer :But human right violations are an integral part of the latin American model. Are we too supposed to emulate that? We used to. And it took behavior considered "uppity" by those who liked the status quo. Latin American tolerance (even encouragement) of popular protest is part of preventing such abuses. Silence would likely lead to resurgences of dictatorships.
Like I said. I like our calm, content, orderly society. It has its benefits. But, it has its downside too. Such as abusers who feel there's no limit to popular "norms" (acceptance = validation, etc.).
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DVOOR8
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said by Rob :And what if the authorities did nothing? You would just ignore it? Just let them continue to do what they do without taking any action? Where does it become your responsibility? Never? If the proper law enforcement agencies decided not to pursue it, I would move to report it to the next layer of enforcement authority. Why would I take the cause up myself?
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hottboiinnc
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Cleveland, OH | reply to amigo_boy
Where is that right stated? i don't remember learning about that in History or Gov't class. |
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Jodokast96
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Erial, NJ | reply to emptywig
Ever tried to have someone evicted? |
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