said by emptywig :

The idea that you MUST wait for law enforcement is ridiculous.

If I am a landlord and someone notifies me(or I become aware in whatever manner) that one of my tenants is engaging in illegal activity on my property, then I am ABSOLUTELY obligated to investigate such activity and I am well within my rights to throw the f**k out anyone whom I find to be engaged in such.

wig

said by amigo_boy :

I have a right against being infested by spambots. And a right against spam mail.

said by amigo_boy :

I agree. And, you have to admit, if we validated such "justice" we'd probably see more caution among execuctives (as it pertains to AIG's lavish parties after taxpayer bailout. Or, obscene differences in compensation.).

I'm not saying I'd prefer such a society. But, I'm not sure I prefer a society where it seems like people get away with anything, and have no shame, because the masses don't seem to be ashamed by *anything*.

When I'm in Latin America and see workers lawfully protesting inside the airport (not just silently walking in circles, but making violent, disruptive noise using musical instruments) it makes me wish we were a little less tolerant of things that should make us angry.

Mark

said by TKJunkMail :

The size of the operation involved says that these 2 companies looked the other way while all these illegal operations were going on. If this isn't a reason to hold carriers responsible for the actions of their customers, I don't know what is. The law holding ISPs free from responsibility needs to be changed.

said by Jodokast96 :

You do?

said by amigo_boy :

We used to. And it took behavior considered "uppity" by those who liked the status quo. Latin American tolerance (even encouragement) of popular protest is part of preventing such abuses. Silence would likely lead to resurgences of dictatorships.

Like I said. I like our calm, content, orderly society. It has its benefits. But, it has its downside too. Such as abusers who feel there's no limit to popular "norms" (acceptance = validation, etc.).

Mark

said by emptywig :

The lease says person won't engage in illegal activity on the property (network). They do. They're gone. If they want to argue, well then here are the police to arrest them for the illegal activity.

The child-porn hosts can sue when they get out of prison.

wig

said by DVOOR8 :

Bandwidth providers are not investigative authorities and have no place doing any investigation into illegal activity or another companies actions.

said by amigo_boy :

For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."

said by hottboiinnc :

Where is that right stated? i don't remember learning about that in History or Gov't class.

said by US Supreme Court :

Both the absoluteness of the citizen's right under Sect. 4009 and its finality are essential; what may not be provocative to one person may well be to another. In operative effect THE POWER OF THE HOUSEHOLDER UNDER THE STATUTE IS UNLIMITED; HE MAY PROHIBIT THE MAILING OF A DRY GOODS CATALOG because he objects to the contents or indeed the text of the language touting the merchandise.[1]

said by US Supreme Court :

We therefore categorically reject the argument that a vendor has a right, under the Constitution or otherwise, to send unwanted material into the home of another. If this prohibition operates to impede the flow of even valid ideas, the answer is that no one has a right to press even "good" ideas on an unwilling recipient.[3]

said by US Supreme Court :

Today's merchandising methods, the plethora of mass mailings subsidized by low postal rates, and the growth of the sale of large mailing lists as an industry, in itself, have changed the mailman from a carrier of primarily private communications, as he was in a more leisurely day, and have made him an adjunct of the mass mailer who sends unsolicited and often unwanted mail into every home. ... whether measured by pieces or pounds, Everyman's mail today is made up overwhelmingly of material he did not seek from persons he does not know. And, all too often, it is matter he finds offensive.

said by US Supreme Court :

The section was intended to allow the addressee COMPLETE AND UNFETTERED DISCRETION in electing whether or not he desired to receive further material from a particular sender.

said by US Postal Service :

-- The prohibitory order. This order aids in protecting customers from receiving pandering advertisements through the mail. An addressee may obtain a prohibitory order against the mailer of an advertisement that THE ADDRESSEE DETERMINES, IN HIS OR HER SOLE DISCRETION, to be offering matter for sale that is erotically arousing or sexually provocative, as defined in title 39, United States Code, 3008. POSTMASTERS MAY NOT REFUSE TO ACCEPT A FORM 1500 because the advertisement in question does not appear to be sexually oriented. Only the addressee may make that determination. The order prohibits the mailer from sending any further mail to the applicant (and his or her eligible minor children included in the application), effective on the 30th calendar day after the mailer receives the order.

said by S_engineer :

Unfortunately, theres not too many of those regions left.

said by S_engineer :

if you've traveled as I have, you know it's still the best game in town!

said by moonpuppy :

Those demonstrations do NOTHING but give the governments the excuse to crack down and beat the crap out of protesters and rarely help the situation.