said by DVOOR8 :

I don't think it is bandwidth providers duty to police the way customers use the bandwidth they sell them. Why would they want to? That is a very dangerous slope to start down.

If I sell paper clips and rubber bands, does that make me responsible for making sure children don't launch paper clips into another child's eye?

The providers did the right thing, and pulled the service once they were shown proof of wrongdoing.

said by TKJunkMail :

They have been notified for ages. They just made too much money to do anything about it until it made the National press in the form of the Wash Post story. Then the negative PR value MADE them take action. And when notified of problems, they should have started their own investigation and not depend on some reporters to do it for them.

said by DVOOR8 :

Bandwidth providers are not investigative authorities and have no place doing any investigation into illegal activity or another companies actions.

If the proper authorities were notified by anyone or had a reason to act, suppliers of bandwidth ALWAYS comply with whatever law authorities request of them. Sounds to me that even law enforcement wasn't onto this.

said by S_engineer :

Why didn't this clown from the post run this past authorities...you know, the proper chain of command?

said by emptywig :

The idea that you MUST wait for law enforcement is ridiculous.

If I am a landlord and someone notifies me(or I become aware in whatever manner) that one of my tenants is engaging in illegal activity on my property, then I am ABSOLUTELY obligated to investigate such activity and I am well within my rights to throw the f**k out anyone whom I find to be engaged in such.

said by MyDogHsFleas :

This is actually false. Tenants have considerable rights, depending on the state/city they live in. In many cases you cannot evict tenants because you have "investigated" and you believe they are doing something illegal, especially if they have a lease. In many cases you can't even evict them if they are convicted of a crime. To do so invites a large lawsuit.

said by mlundin :

I've seen it done first hand. Lawyer makes proper filings for an eviction, people tossed out by cops in about a week (during which they were in jail for armed robbery). Didn't appear too difficult aside from getting a lawyer.

said by emptywig :

The lease says person won't engage in illegal activity on the property (network). They do. They're gone. If they want to argue, well then here are the police to arrest them for the illegal activity.

The child-porn hosts can sue when they get out of prison.

wig

said by emptywig :

The lease says person won't engage in illegal activity on the property (network). They do. They're gone. If they want to argue, well then here are the police to arrest them for the illegal activity.

said by emptywig :

The lease says person won't engage in illegal activity on the property (network). They do. They're gone. If they want to argue, well then here are the police to arrest them for the illegal activity.

The child-porn hosts can sue when they get out of prison.

wig

said by emptywig :

The idea that you MUST wait for law enforcement is ridiculous.

If I am a landlord and someone notifies me(or I become aware in whatever manner) that one of my tenants is engaging in illegal activity on my property, then I am ABSOLUTELY obligated to investigate such activity and I am well within my rights to throw the f**k out anyone whom I find to be engaged in such.

wig

said by Skippy25 :

During that investigation the ISP's should be looked at as well to see if they were turning a blind eye to it. Not that I believe ISP's should be anything more than a dumbpipe, but if they are fully aware that they are being utilized for illegal activities, then they SHOULD be required to take the proper steps to aide authorities or brought to justice for not doing so.

said by emptywig :

The idea that you MUST wait for law enforcement is ridiculous.

If I am a landlord and someone notifies me(or I become aware in whatever manner) that one of my tenants is engaging in illegal activity on my property, then I am ABSOLUTELY obligated to investigate such activity and I am well within my rights to throw the f**k out anyone whom I find to be engaged in such.

said by DVOOR8 :

Bandwidth providers are not investigative authorities and have no place doing any investigation into illegal activity or another companies actions.

said by DVOOR8 :

I don't think it is bandwidth providers duty to police the way customers use the bandwidth they sell them. Why would they want to? That is a very dangerous slope to start down.

If I sell paper clips and rubber bands, does that make me responsible for making sure children don't launch paper clips into another child's eye?

The providers did the right thing, and pulled the service once they were shown proof of wrongdoing.

said by Rob :

If you own a home, and you lease it out, and multiple people inform you that the people leasing your home are using it host sex with children, you wouldn't do anything about it?

Your response would be "landlords don't have the duty to police the way tenants use the home" ?

I doubt it very much. I bet you'd be the first one there, with a shotgun, a baseball bat, and ready to kick some ass.

said by DVOOR8 :

Wow, that is perhaps the most ignorant statement I have seen. I would do the right thing and contact the proper authorities and handle it like someone who cares about the outcome. I am not going to try and battle crime myself nor launch my own investigation for publicity which is what this was.

said by Rob :

Where does it become your responsibility? Never?

said by jhboricua :

If the evidence is there, why would the authorities ignore it?

said by S_engineer :

and some people want any excuse to diminish the 2nd ammendment right, or at least their skewed interpretation of it. So if you're a landlord throwing people out on the street because of a false allegation, or an allegation that did not go through the proper channels, be prepared for a full contingent of lawyers to be talking about your case. And when your getting thrown out of your house because of a bogus judgement, what will you be able to do????
Nothing, because you've gotten rid of your 2nd ammendment right.

said by Matt :

they feel justified in taking action themselves.

said by S_engineer :

If thats the case (an I do understand the desire), then we should be marching on wall street and dc with pitch forks and torches in a scene reminiscent of Frankenstein.

said by amigo_boy :

I agree. And, you have to admit, if we validated such "justice" we'd probably see more caution among execuctives (as it pertains to AIG's lavish parties after taxpayer bailout. Or, obscene differences in compensation.).

I'm not saying I'd prefer such a society. But, I'm not sure I prefer a society where it seems like people get away with anything, and have no shame, because the masses don't seem to be ashamed by *anything*.

When I'm in Latin America and see workers lawfully protesting inside the airport (not just silently walking in circles, but making violent, disruptive noise using musical instruments) it makes me wish we were a little less tolerant of things that should make us angry.

Mark

said by S_engineer :

Unfortunately, theres not too many of those regions left.

said by amigo_boy :

I wouldn't mind seeing a more militant mindset among Americans. We paint ourselves as patriotic, the home of the brave, etc. But, if you travel through other parts of the world, they have a much stronger expression of such traits. For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."

Occasionally we read stories about a group of neighbors who beat the heck out of a burglary (or child molestation) suspect before the police arrive. Everyone gets a tingly feeling about that. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some episodes like that involving corporate executives.

said by amigo_boy :

For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."

said by moonpuppy :

Those demonstrations do NOTHING but give the governments the excuse to crack down and beat the crap out of protesters and rarely help the situation.

said by amigo_boy :

But, your contention is that, if commoners were less "uppity" (stayed home, engaged in calm discourse), things would be better. That's largely how dictatorships arose in the 70s - 80s (with US assistance, I might add).

Your argument could have (and was) applied to the US founders too.

Mark

said by moonpuppy :

The second a crowd turns from peaceful protests to rioting the tide of public opinion turns away from them.

said by hottboiinnc :

And you would want this to happen to your kids: »www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl···07160322

said by jhboricua :

If the evidence is there, why would the authorities ignore it?

said by Rob :

And what if the authorities did nothing? You would just ignore it?

Just let them continue to do what they do without taking any action?

Where does it become your responsibility? Never?

said by DVOOR8 :

...nor launch my own investigation for publicity which is what this was.

said by utahluge :

Uhhh, ever heard of a video camera? You would get a lot further with handing over a video tape to the police. At the very least it would keep you out of jail.

said by birdfeedr :

Hand the police a video tape of your tenants hosting sex with children? Sounds like you created a video of kiddie-porn. And gave the evidence to police. Not too smart, in my view.

said by Rob :

I doubt it very much. I bet you'd be the first one there, with a shotgun, a baseball bat, and ready to kick some ass.

said by DVOOR8 :

I don't think it is bandwidth providers duty to police the way customers use the bandwidth

said by DVOOR8 :

The providers did the right thing, and pulled the service once they were shown proof of wrongdoing.

said by KrK :

This is where I think the problem lies. I think they ignored evidence/proof of wrongdoing right up until public scrutiny and publicity meant they had to act.

said by Matt :

I completely agree. Unfortunately this happens all too often.