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said by jhboricua:

If the evidence is there, why would the authorities ignore it?

said by S_engineer:

and some people want any excuse to diminish the 2nd ammendment right, or at least their skewed interpretation of it. So if you're a landlord throwing people out on the street because of a false allegation, or an allegation that did not go through the proper channels, be prepared for a full contingent of lawyers to be talking about your case. And when your getting thrown out of your house because of a bogus judgement, what will you be able to do????
Nothing, because you've gotten rid of your 2nd ammendment right.

said by Matt:

they feel justified in taking action themselves.

said by S_engineer:

If thats the case (an I do understand the desire), then we should be marching on wall street and dc with pitch forks and torches in a scene reminiscent of Frankenstein.

said by amigo_boy:

I agree. And, you have to admit, if we validated such "justice" we'd probably see more caution among execuctives (as it pertains to AIG's lavish parties after taxpayer bailout. Or, obscene differences in compensation.).

I'm not saying I'd prefer such a society. But, I'm not sure I prefer a society where it seems like people get away with anything, and have no shame, because the masses don't seem to be ashamed by *anything*.

When I'm in Latin America and see workers lawfully protesting inside the airport (not just silently walking in circles, but making violent, disruptive noise using musical instruments) it makes me wish we were a little less tolerant of things that should make us angry.

Mark

said by S_engineer:

Unfortunately, theres not too many of those regions left.

said by amigo_boy:

I wouldn't mind seeing a more militant mindset among Americans. We paint ourselves as patriotic, the home of the brave, etc. But, if you travel through other parts of the world, they have a much stronger expression of such traits. For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."

Occasionally we read stories about a group of neighbors who beat the heck out of a burglary (or child molestation) suspect before the police arrive. Everyone gets a tingly feeling about that. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing some episodes like that involving corporate executives.

said by MyDogHsFleas:

If you are being serious (which I doubt), I certainly don't want my country to be lke that.

said by amigo_boy:

For people who take the US founders' rhetoric seriously, the Latin American model is closer to the mark. For example, Jefferson's admonishment that this country should have a revolution ever 20 years(?).

Mark

said by S_engineer:

But human right violations are an integral part of the latin American model. Are we too supposed to emulate that?

said by amigo_boy:

We used to. And it took behavior considered "uppity" by those who liked the status quo. Latin American tolerance (even encouragement) of popular protest is part of preventing such abuses. Silence would likely lead to resurgences of dictatorships.

Like I said. I like our calm, content, orderly society. It has its benefits. But, it has its downside too. Such as abusers who feel there's no limit to popular "norms" (acceptance = validation, etc.).

Mark

said by S_engineer:

if you've traveled as I have, you know it's still the best game in town!

said by S_engineer:

But you can't keep looking at what the "Joneses" across the borders have, because behind close doors, they have plenty of their own grief!

said by S_engineer:

the obligations that MUST be met just to maintain necessities. This becomes an induced apathy

said by S_engineer:

It is peoples duty to participate, but it's also their duty to imform themselves about legislation.

said by amigo_boy:



The question is how do we get back to that. Or, do we want to? Whatever we do will be problematic.

Mark

said by S_engineer:

The question seems to me is in a era where we want everything right now, are we as tough as they were? If we're not, we're in trouble!

said by S_engineer:

Idealistically, your aspirations for this country are commendable. Realistically....well...*sigh*

said by amigo_boy:

For example, in Latin America it's not uncommon to have annual demonstrations, often violent. Or, for labor sectors to shut down the country. Or, to walk through the main airport and find demonstrators disrupting operations (for better working conditions). It's all accepted as part of how society works. That it's better than "staying in line, and waiting for the authorities to take care of something."

said by moonpuppy:

Those demonstrations do NOTHING but give the governments the excuse to crack down and beat the crap out of protesters and rarely help the situation.

said by amigo_boy:

But, your contention is that, if commoners were less "uppity" (stayed home, engaged in calm discourse), things would be better. That's largely how dictatorships arose in the 70s - 80s (with US assistance, I might add).

Your argument could have (and was) applied to the US founders too.

Mark

said by moonpuppy:

The second a crowd turns from peaceful protests to rioting the tide of public opinion turns away from them.

said by hottboiinnc:

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said by jhboricua:

If the evidence is there, why would the authorities ignore it?