Wisconsin Realizes Franchise 'Reform' Was a Con > Yes, this was a total con

said by wifi4milez:

I am not so sure about that. If you recall last year there was a huge issue regarding ATT deploying UVerse in some small towns in Illinois. The local governments told ATT they needed to deploy to the entire geographic area, or they couldnt do it at all. ATT then basically told them to take a hike and passed over that municipality. Perhaps the buildout requirements still held for them because they are an ILEC, however its just an example of how the rules have been (recently) dictated on a local level.

said by marigolds:

I watched the Illinois issue closely. They were not required to build out the entire geographic area, just those which passed existing density requirements.
Similarly for New York City, I doubt there is any residential area of the city that does not pass the minimum density requirements already.
Based on what SD6 said though, I wonder if the ILEC issue comes into play when determining if they are an overbuilder.

said by marigolds:

What I mean is, I wonder if since ATT/Verizon are deploying using their phone infrastructure, if they are considered to have high enough penetration to not be overbuilders. In other words, FIOS and U-Verse are viewed as advanced service deployments and not basic service deployments. (Buildout requirements are applied to advanced services as well.)

said by wifi4milez:

Uverse is nothing more than DSL, so it shouldnt apply there. FIOS is not using the telephone infrastructure at all, so it shouldnt apply to them either.

said by marigolds:

Are you sure? I don't mean going over the phone wires, I mean using the conduits, pedastals, etc.

said by marigolds:

U-Verse is not purely DSL. Some U-Verse deployments are IPTV over fiber (I would guess only in locations where AT&T has a statewide franchise agreement, as opposed to other areas where AT&T is deploying with on franchise agreement at all).

said by wifi4milez:

Uverse is nothing more than DSL, so it shouldnt apply there. FIOS is not using the telephone infrastructure at all, so it shouldnt apply to them either.

said by SD6:

Actually, in New York, FIOS is considered to be an upgrade of the telephone infrastructure.

said by SD6:

And FCC has a lot of authority over carriers for other than voice service, CATV franchising for one.

said by SD6:

And Uverse is more than DSL.

said by wifi4milez:

That might be true, although I have no information to support or refute it.

They have authority over many things, however as far as I know the only build out requirements they cover are for POTS service.

How do you figure? Its nothing more than VDSL.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_High_···ber_Line

said by SD6:

Please don't present as facts things you don't know or have information for.