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funchords
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said by baineschile:

Socialist.
Do you say that because you think all roads should be privately owned?

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said by funchords:

said by baineschile:

Socialist.
Do you say that because you think all roads should be privately owned?
no, probably because he's a republican. their philosophy is govt spending should only go to corporations and rich people, and from there it trickles down to the rest of us.

anyone that thinks commoners deserve help from the govt is a socialist.

it should be noted that despite this, govt handouts are not socialism when they go to big business. however, I am confused as to why the republicans don't want any money thrown at the auto companies - maybe it's because they employ too many commoners.

on the other hand, maybe it's just snark.


baineschile
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Actually, I am as liberal as they come. But when government controls an aspect of life for need as opposed to it being commercially run for profit, that is essentially the definition of socialism.


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said by baineschile:

that is essentially the definition of socialism.
Stay tuned as Mr. Baine explains to us how we shouldn't have SEC regulation of stock markets; banking regulations; food- and drug-quality laws (producing a level of quality a free market wouldn't); creation of corporate charters (a fictional, yet legal "person") by state legislatures; and zoning laws and building codes (which restrict how any individual may choose to dispose of their property).

We are properly called a society of socialized capitalism. Not absolute capitalism or socialism.

Mark


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How is it socialist to have SOME regulation on the safety and quality of our products?


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said by The Limit:

How is it socialist to have SOME regulation on the safety and quality of our products?
It's not what a "free market" would produce simply by buyers exercising their due diligence, exercising the calculus of their wants/needs?

The premise of food- and drug-quality laws is that it's "for everyone's benefit" or "in the interest of public welfare."

But, those are just socialistic terms (used to justify building codes, zoning laws, the SEC, banking regulations, state creation of corporate charters). In the end they deny willing buyers and sellers from engaging in certain activities which may be beneficial to them -- simply because the needs of the many outweigh their needs.

Socialism is a reality. We enjoy its benefits every day -- if you define socialism by the standards Conservatives usually employ. The same argument could be made that we have capitalism instead of pure socialism. In reality, we have mixture of both: socialized capitalism.

Mark


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said by funchords:

said by baineschile:

Socialist.
Do you say that because you think all roads should be privately owned?
No, no, no, they should be the property of People of the United States of Barack Obama. Obama can fly so he certainly can lay roads and fiber. Obama could probably finish that pipeline in Alaska in 24 hrs.

Compared to Bush who can barely read, Obama can do it all. He has the Godly talent of figuring it all out. Health care for everyone? No problem. Jobs for everyone? No problem. Banking just becomes nationalized? Why not? Free FIOS? Sure.

America has lived far too long on Capitalistic ideas and Reagan's charisma. We need a change to something different. Not socialism. That's a dirty work. We just need to create a new word for it, then people will buy it. Wait. No buying required. Just need to change a few minds. Maybe become an Aristocracy with a benevolent King Obama.

If it doesn't work, we can change back.
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Saving the world keeps me busy. However, I find Earth very primitive from my home planet of Krypton.
-Supergirl

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