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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	reply to BB_Hunter Re: Why are they still focused on Satellites? said by BB_Hunter: said by BF69: said by BB_Hunter: Honestly it costs them 250 million to launch a satellite. Anywhere Evdo is available people are going to take that over satellite. Really? Should my friend take Verizon's data plan at $60 and a 5 GB monthly cap with $256 per GB overage charges or Hughesnet's $60 plan which has a cap that averages out to 6 GB a month but also has 5 hour cap free window daily? Depends on how much he uses. Personally the 1Gb of difference isn't that big of a deal. YOu do realize that 5 hours day of CAP FREE service times 30 days is 150 hours a month. That's potenitally 66 GB of extra download. That's a HUGE difference. And if he goes over his speed gets throttled he's not charged $256 per GB. Personally if one isn't even using 5 GB a month you might as well stay with dial-up anyways. Anyone using less than 5 GB a month and payng for broadband is an idiot.
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BB_Hunter join:2008-05-16	said by BF69: YOu do realize that 5 hours day of CAP FREE service times 30 days is 150 hours a month. That's potenitally 66 GB of extra download. That's a HUGE difference. And if he goes over his speed gets throttled he's not charged $256 per GB. Personally if one isn't even using 5 GB a month you might as well stay with dial-up anyways. Anyone using less than 5 GB a month and payng for broadband is an idiot. Okay well I'm looking over there plan right now. There $59 home plan is 1Meg with a 200MB daily threshold. That means he can download 125kB/s or 1 MB in 8.2 seconds. So he can burn through his daily usage threshold in 27.3 Minutes. After which his effective usage drops below dial up speeds. Your telling me 27 minutes of maximum download speed per day is a better deal? Now I understand your preaching about the cap free time. Quick question does your daily threshold still apply during the cap free time? So example he gets throttled throughout the day. Does his service go back up to normal speed during the uncapped hours of that day? The only thing I can see people doing between 3-6am in the morning is scheduling automatic updates which are not going to net anywhere near the 66GB of extra download headroom. Most people that use the internet use it after they get home from work. I doubt many people will be just waiting to see how much crap they can download while there in a cap free zone. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that time being a great thing other than updates. As for your thoughts about people not using 5GB might as well stay on dial up. I can tell you have not been on dial up recently. Pages take forever to load with all the ads and flash crap. Youtube and any steaming site is virtually useless. At least I can surf at ease, play my PS3 online, get my updates in a timely fashion. I'd use a lot more if I sat around all day on my computer. But I do have a job that takes up a lot of my time. Sure I'd like to use my connection a little more to download more demo's or show's off amazon's unbox but I don't because I don't want to get throttled. Big updates or patches I tend to use my cell phone at work to download via Wifi. Now why would you call someone that only uses 5GB an idiot but 6GB isn't an idiot. Is your only reason because at 3am he can download at will till 6am?
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BF69 Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN	said by BB_Hunter: Okay well I'm looking over there plan right now. There $59 home plan is 1Meg with a 200MB daily threshold. That means he can download 125kB/s or 1 MB in 8.2 seconds. So he can burn through his daily usage threshold in 27.3 Minutes. After which his effective usage drops below dial up speeds. Your telling me 27 minutes of maximum download speed per day is a better deal? Now I understand your preaching about the cap free time. Quick question does your daily threshold still apply during the cap free time? Nope it doesn't. Cap free means cap free. And even if you're FAPed you are not throttled durring that time. So example he gets throttled throughout the day. Does his service go back up to normal speed during the uncapped hours of that day? Yep. The only thing I can see people doing between 3-6am in the morning is scheduling automatic updates which are not going to net anywhere near the 66GB of extra download headroom. Most people that use the internet use it after they get home from work. I doubt many people will be just waiting to see how much crap they can download while there in a cap free zone. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't see that time being a great thing other than updates. The cap free window is 2 AM EST to 7 AM EST. In my area that 1 AM to 6 AM. Even if one only uses the cap free window to schedule automatic updates, hey that is that much more of your cap you are not using up. Sure one may be sleeping most of the time between 1 AM and 6 AM but in those times when you are up( and ther will be a few ) you can at least download Amazon unBox videos or demos for your XBOX 360 or PS3. Things that are IMPOSSIBLE with Verizon EVDO. As for your thoughts about people not using 5GB might as well stay on dial up. I can tell you have not been on dial up recently. Pages take forever to load with all the ads and flash crap. Youtube and any steaming site is virtually useless. Youtube is useless with a 5 GB cap anyways. Watching just 1 hour a day of the low quality Youtube videos would use 4 GB of your 5 GB monthly cap. Sorry a 5 GB a month is 16 kbps that's not even 1/3 dial-up. Since you want to bring up numbers. At least I can surf at ease, play my PS3 online, get my updates in a timely fashion. I'd use a lot more if I sat around all day on my computer. But I do have a job that takes up a lot of my time. Sure I'd like to use my connection a little more to download more demo's or show's off amazon's unbox but I don't because I don't want to get throttled. You can't play PS3 with a 5 GB cap and do updates. You also can't download demo's. And Verizon doesn't throttle you they charge you $256 per GB overage. Which part of that isn't clear? $256 per GB. No other wireless company in our area offers EVDO/3G. Big updates or patches I tend to use my cell phone at work to download via Wifi. Good for you. My friend's phone doesn't have wi-fi nor does his workplace. Since I am speaking form the perspective of my friend's situation, as much as I think satellite sucks Hughesnet is better than EVDO from Verizon. And for the record I wouldn't recommend him getting the cheapest plan with a 200 MB daily cap I'd would suggest he get the $80 plan with a 425 MB a day cap. I was just comparing the packages with the same price point. Now why would you call someone that only uses 5GB an idiot but 6GB isn't an idiot. Is your only reason because at 3am he can download at will till 6am? Ok first of all since you haven't kept up the cap free window has been expanded form 2AM to 7AM. Also if you don't even download 5 GB a month then really you don't even need broadband. As I said I think satellite is lame and I always though Wild Blue has been better as far cap caps and how they do them( rolling 30 day period vs daily cap ) until Wild Blue or Verzion has cap free periods I can't recommend them. How come Verizon gives me free minutes from 9 PM to 6 AM but can't do something similar with a data plan? Hmmmm. Also it does not cost Verizon anywhere near $256 if someone was to download an extra GB of data. Last thing I'm going to do is advise a friend to go with Verizon then have him get a $2000 bill because he didn't know he went over the cap.
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BB_Hunter join:2008-05-16 1 edit	From BF69 Nope it doesn't. Cap free means cap free. And even if you're FAPed you are not throttled durring that time. Okay there site was not clear. The cap free window is 2 AM EST to 7 AM EST. In my area that 1 AM to 6 AM. Even if one only uses the cap free window to schedule automatic updates, hey that is that much more of your cap you are not using up. Sure one may be sleeping most of the time between 1 AM and 6 AM but in those times when you are up( and ther will be a few ) you can at least download Amazon unBox videos or demos for your XBOX 360 or PS3. Things that are IMPOSSIBLE with Verizon EVDO. From the site I was looking at it looked like it was 3am-6am. Maybe it was a older site that has not been updated. Why do you insist its impossible to do this on Evdo though? The last demo I downloaded Mirror's edge was 846MB I believe. That means I still have bandwidth left for the month. I just took almost 25% of it on a demo. Not impossible it just means you wouldn't be able to surf as much. Youtube is useless with a 5 GB cap anyways. Watching just 1 hour a day of the low quality Youtube videos would use 4 GB of your 5 GB monthly cap. Sorry a 5 GB a month is 16 kbps that's not even 1/3 dial-up. Since you want to bring up numbers. That is what they make TV for man. I'd rather watch TV on my big screen. I only use youtube when I'm visiting a forum with a youtube video or watching a quick trailer of a game/movie. I don't just sit around watching random youtube video's. You can't play PS3 with a 5 GB cap and do updates. You also can't download demo's. And Verizon doesn't throttle you they charge you $256 per GB overage. Which part of that isn't clear? $256 per GB. No other wireless company in our area offers EVDO/3G. Again another assumption. Most games I play with voice chat come in around 75MB per hour of game play. I get maybe 5 hours worth of online gaming in a week since I do have a job and a life. That works out to about 1.5GB worth of uploading/downloading combined for a month of gaming for me. My demo will round to 850MB. So that took me to around 2.35GB used. I'll be over zealous and say Vista downloaded 250MB worth of updates. I'm at 2.6GB now for the month. So I've got my gaming and updates out of the way and yet I've still got 2.4GB of bandwidth to use for surfing and watching clips. Or in other words 80MB of surfing per day left. I don't use my computer for anything really when I'm working though. So I have a lot of days that I don't access anything. I just use my PDA at work to keep tabs on my email and sites. Yes your correct about the overage rates. I myself got under the old contract which is a 5GB soft cap with no overages. So you can see why I don't care if I go over myself. In all honesty I wouldn't have got a plan under the new terms. But I never said anything about Hughesnet needing to place a cap on it. It was merely a suggestion how they could create a better and more lasting market. WiMax doesn't have a cap currently and its very similar to Evdo. They could go above the bar and provide a good service to the rural customers. Good for you. My friend's phone doesn't have wi-fi nor does his workplace. Since I am speaking form the perspective of my friend's situation, as much as I think satellite sucks Hughesnet is better than EVDO from Verizon. And for the record I wouldn't recommend him getting the cheapest plan with a 200 MB daily cap I'd would suggest he get the $80 plan with a 425 MB a day cap. I was just comparing the packages with the same price point. I understand your speaking from your friends perspective. Is he even a power user that's going to need the extra bandwidth? Also if you don't even download 5 GB a month then really you don't even need broadband. This statement really does piss me off. Example my Grandmother has a basic cable package 512/512 to surf around and buy stuff online. She doesn't need an uber fast pipe but she doesn't want to site around for 1 minute waiting for a damn Amazon page to load. Then another minute as she goes to the next page. I bet she doesn't use 1GB of data but I know damn well if she was on dial up she would probably just chuck the laptop we got her in the trash. Just because people don't use it to stream audio/video and download massive files 24/7 doesn't mean they shouldn't have a broadband connection. I'm sorry but that's the dumbest most naive response I've heard in a while. As I said I think satellite is lame and I always though Wild Blue has been better as far cap caps and how they do them( rolling 30 day period vs daily cap ) until Wild Blue or Verzion has cap free periods I can't recommend them. How come Verizon gives me free minutes from 9 PM to 6 AM but can't do something similar with a data plan? Hmmmm. Also it does not cost Verizon anywhere near $256 if someone was to download an extra GB of data. Last thing I'm going to do is advise a friend to go with Verizon then have him get a $2000 bill because he didn't know he went over the cap. I think there both lame as well. I hate having DU meter running myself wondering if I'm going to get throttled because its well within the contract that they can. I have not yet and hope I don't but I'm sure it will happen sometime. Its really just a shitty situation for people like me that live in a rural area's. I don't consider myself a basic user but I'm kind of playing the devils advocate for a basic user. I have other resources myself to get larger files so I guess a small cap doesn't effect me as much. Sure I'd love a larger one and like I said I could download more demo's, cd's, movies and I'd love to use the the PS3's rental service but 1 movie would tear through my cap and take half a day to download.
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