Toguro
join:2003-10-23
Ottawa, IL
| reply to Matt
Re: Sweet
said by Matt  :said by dks7 :I got an xbox360 experience for you, how about one that doesn't 3 rings of death on you eventually, I am currently on my 6th machine, when this dies I am done. And will never buy Microsoft again. After 6 of them, I'd start suspecting the user rather than the hardware. I agree six dying and you keep going back sounds like a user issue. |
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CrzyCrakr
Premium
join:2005-06-24
Edgewater, MD
| I don't agree. It is poor design that kills them. Don't get me wrong cuz I love my 360s but they are poorly designed hardware. All of them will die...just a matter of time. Only way around it is either fix it yourself or MS does a redesign. Which I don't see happening. I would bet not until the next gen of the xbox. |
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dks7
join:2004-05-31 | reply to Toguro
actually it was hem replacing the machine issue, im on my 6th replacement, i wont count the 15 or so times ive sent in for warranty work |
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chemaupr
join:2005-06-06
Alexandria, VA
| reply to CrzyCrakr
I have 2 and only one, the first to buy at release, had the problem. Other than that no issues at all.
Out of the 45 in my friend list the max any one had to replace was two, but the norm since to be 1. and a about half never. So 6 is abnormal by all means |
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Xbox360Blah
| I know several people that have gone through at least 3 or more systems. Almost everybody I know has had to have their system replaced at least once. Personally, I am on my third system since I bought my original system back in March of 2007 and I can say for sure that my systems did not die from misuse or excessive use as I normally only play an hour or two each night.
The plain fact of the matter is the Microsoft, who can't design hardware worth a damn, decided that they would put the system's GPU, the hottest part of the system, in the NARROWEST part of the case. The resulting lack of airflow eventually leads to the GPU effectively burning out. Microsoft has been trying to solve the problem with a larger heat sink and more thermal grease but this is nothing more than a band-aid. No matter which way you cut it, the 360 runs way too hot and has too little airflow. |
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Matt
Take me down to the paradise city
Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
 ·North State Commun..
| And I know 20 or so people with 360's who haven't had to replace a single one of theirs. Of course, they don't have them stuffed into a tiny little cubby hole in their entertainment center, or sitting on top of carpet either ...
There are problems with the 360 overheating, but when you get upwards of 3,4,5 or 6, I'd start investigating what *I* might be doing to cause the problem. |
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artk7263
@sbc.com
| I agree...
Ive had mine sitting on a seperate table with lots of open airspace. THe power brick is on the table too. Not sitting on the carpet I was first shipment of the original xbox machines. Never had a problem with it. still going strong.
You need lots of open airspace, and not have anything impede its airflow. Its no different than a pc, its suppsoed to have x ammount of airspace arround it. typically if you provide that you should be ok. |
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XboxAnon
@qwest.net
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It's not just MS. I learnt about these new gen systems running hot a while back. My original PlayStation 1 with a mod chip overheated on me and died because I rested it directly on the carpet. It was a newbie mistake because the air slits were at the bottom of its case. How did I know as the only other gaming systems I had before were NES, Super NES, and the Sega Genesis. None of them had heating problems. Long story short, ever since that time I've always put my gaming systems out in the open or if they need to be inside an entertainment system cabinet like I have now, I make sure the compartments are big enough to allow good airflow. Heck, I even removed the stupid cardboard type backing for the entertainment system so that my DirecTV-Tivo HD-DVR, amplifier, gaming systems, etc will have free airflow at the back to expel heat. During summer, I direct a fan at them especially on whatever gaming system I'm playing at the moment. It's all about taking care of your electronics. With the power of these devices nowadays, overheating is a very possible cause of death. You just have to take precautions. |
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XboxAnon
@qwest.net | I also forgot to mention, I lay the gaming systems flat not standing up to make sure the gaming discs are spun horizontally as opposed to vertically which may cause scratches and what not on the discs. |
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Canezoid
join:2001-02-16
Powder Springs, GA
 ·Comcast
| reply to Xbox360Blah
Totally agree. Had ours since 12/05, never had probs, but RROD'd back in Aug. , guess I consider us lucky having almost a 3 yr run.
Since I had nothing to loose, I went ahead and fixed myself. Since being familiar w/ building my own PC's, did some research and went to Youtube, watched some disassembly vids and OUILA, had the thing apart in about 1/2 hr.
Really it's not just the aspect of the GPU placement w/ the airflow, it's also the crappy heatsink Xclamps that are the main cause. Overtime as these things begin to bend, as that happens loss of continuity from the heatsinks to the CPU/GPU, hence the failures.
Once I had it open, w/ mobo pulled, cleaned of the CPU/GPU, placed new good quality thermal grease, pulled the Xclamp crap off, re-seated HSinks w/ new connectors and put back together. Been runnin great ever since. Total cost was $25 for parts, plus the learning experience. No $99 fee for Msoft to send back another "defective" unit.
Have recently done same thing to our PS3, boy talk about a monster, geesh.
Peace! |
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nuahs79
join:2007-11-16
Orlando, FL
| reply to Matt
I had an original 360 that I waited in line for 10 hours to get and it didn't get the RRD until about 2 1/2 years later. I had it in a wall unit with my receiver and I just didn't have adequate air flow which is what I attributed to the death of my first one. I replaced it, ripped off the heat sink and slapped some Artic Silver on there and an after market fan with USB readout to monitor the temps. When I play I play for 3 or 4 hours at a time and since getting better air flow and putting the aftermarket fan on I haven't had an issue. |
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