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kingb71
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 By 9am apparently, which means a decision has already been reached, I wonder if there will be a leak tonight?
Here's the full blurb:
Media Advisory: CRTC to Make Landmark Decision on Internet Freedom
Submitted by Steve Anderson on Wed, 11/19/2008 - 22:16.
Media Advisory: CRTC to Make Landmark Decision on Internet Freedom
Decision to define Canada’s digital path
According to the CBC, after twice delaying the ruling, the CRTC will make a landmark decision on the Bell Throttling case by 9 a.m. tomorrow. The decision will determine whether Bell Canada has violated the Telecommunications Act by slowing down the Internet access it sells to wholesale customers.
Steve Anderson from SaveOurNet.ca coalition will be available for comment.
Steve said today, “This decision has huge implications for Internet service competition online innovation, consumer choice and free speech. The biggest battle over the Internet is yet to come, but this ruling will signal whether the CRTC is willing to take action to put Canada on a path that supports online innovation, and online choice. Otherwise the CRTC is abdicating its responsibility to Canadian people and putting us on a path towards a more closed Internet defined by the interests of big telecom companies.”
Bell began throttling its own Sympatico retail customers in October 2007, and extended the practice in March to CAIP members, which rent portions of Bell's network to provide internet service to their own customers. The CRTC rejected CAIP's call for an immediate cease-and-desist order but launched a public investigation into Bell's actions.
About SaveOurNet.ca:
SaveOurNet.ca is a coalition of citizens, businesses, and public interest groups fighting to protect our Internet's level playing field. We're calling on lawmakers and industry to protect openness, choice, and access for ALL Canadians — and stopping lobbyists and special interests from ruining Canada's Internet.
A list of coalition members can be found here:
»saveournet.ca/members
Background information about the issue of Net Neutrality can be found in our “Fact vs Fiction” report:
»saveournet.ca/sites/default/file···_FvF.pdf
Background information on the CAIP proceeding can be found in this Campaign for Democratic Media submission to the CRTC:
»www.cippic.ca/uploads/CIPPIC_CAI···INAL.pdf
Previous Press Release on this ruling:
»saveournet.ca/content/coalition-···en-inter...
Media reports on tomorrow’s decision:
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···ref=rss:
»www.p2pnet.net/story/17638
More at: »saveournet.ca
Contact:
Steve Anderson
SaveOurNet.ca
Coordinator
604-837-5730
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by kingb71  :By 9am apparently, which means a decision has already been reached, Correction:
A decision was made WEEKS ago.
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»CRTC keeps CAIP in the dark
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»www.p2pnet.net/story/17639
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Just in case you mentioned this already and I didn't see it, sorry to re-itterate. Your post was long and my attention span is mall.  | |
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kingb71
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Mississauga, ON | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 those slimy fuckers!! | |
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jfmezei
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Beaconsfield, QC
·ELECTRONICBOX
| There was no question that the CRTC would delay revealing its decision when t became obvious an alection was to be called and await for the new government to get established.
I have to wonder if the CRTC waited for parliament to reconvene. Throne speech today. CRTC gets to publish its decision the next day.
I would not be susprised if Harper had some big bombshell tomorrow which would crystalise the media's attention around that and thus ignore the CRTC decision.
Note that Tony Clement was in Detroit today, busy with the demise of the car industry. Perhaps he'll announce some major car bailout tomorrow. | |
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TOPDAWG
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join:2005-04-27
Midland, ON
·TekSavvy Solutions..
3 edits | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 Man get real your normal person on the street could give two damns about this stuff. The CRTC has no reason to delay anything cause of how someone may react.
Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some big issue people in Canada care about. I mean what is going to happen if they rule on bells side? I don't think the CRTC going to be scared cause people will be insulting them on the net.
Mean reason I want bell to lose is so I can laugh at all the people who been saying crazy crap like the CRTC is being paid off it's all Harper's doing and other such goofy crap. | |
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON
| CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by TOPDAWG : What is going to happen if they rule on bells side? In that case, collectively, we launch a class action law suit against Bell.
said by TOPDAWG :Main reason I want bell to lose is so I can laugh at all the people who been saying crazy crap like the CRTC is being paid off it's all Harper's doing and other such goofy crap. It's this kind of attitude that shows how much you do not know of what has been happening over the past 8 months. | |
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TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by TOPDAWG :Man get real your normal person on the street could give two damns about this stuff. The CRTC has no reason to delay anything cause of how someone may react. Don't fool yourself into thinking this is some big issue people in Canada care about. I mean what is going to happen if they rule on bells side? I don't think the CRTC going to be scared cause people will be insulting them on the net. Thinking you should brace yourself for a controlled internet soon then.... Bell/Rogers has everything to gain by having people remain ignorant of what is happening.
If you thinking this is a small issue... all I can tell you is wait and see!
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Guspaz
Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 What he means isn't that the issue isn't big, only that it doesn't matter to the majority of Canadians. So what he's saying is that in the public conscience, the issue is small. They either don't know about it (or what net neutrality is), or don't think it's important compared to other concerns like healthcare or the economy.
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TSI Rocky
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join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by Guspaz :What he means isn't that the issue isn't big, only that it doesn't matter to the majority of Canadians. So what he's saying is that in the public conscience, the issue is small. They either don't know about it (or what net neutrality is), or don't think it's important compared to other concerns like healthcare or the economy. Some people know about it, but just don't realize how much it will impact things. Yup... I know that... Which is why I said, wait and see. This issue will blow up shortly when people start seeing service issues going to facebook/google/youtube/etc, because of Bell/Rogers/etc, or when they can't make a trade for sports/gambling/stocks due to throttling... They'll start to clue in in a hurry!
There's a learning curve that will be required, no doubt, but when it starts watch out!
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON | CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 What Bell and Rogers is attempting to do is keep their subscriber's within the realms of their domain, hence, being the Gate Keeper. Once inside, the Gate will be securely locked and entrance beyond the Gate denied. | |
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Guspaz
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join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice.
You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. | |
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TSI Rocky
Premium,VIP
join:2005-05-19
Chatham, ON
| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by Guspaz :What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice. You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. True, but there are some around the industry who are going to make sure this front and centre as fast and as long as possible! 
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Sempronius
join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON
| CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 Lest we forget... | |
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zaptor99
join:2004-05-02
Toronto, ON
| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 the full article from CBC. 30 mins to go
»www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008···rtc.html
Internet watchers are on the edge of their seats as the CRTC is set to make a landmark ruling Thursday on Bell Canada Inc.'s throttling of speeds.
The regulator will hand down its decision at 9 a.m. ET after twice delaying the ruling. The decision will determine whether Bell Canada has violated the Telecommunications Act by slowing down the internet access it sells to wholesale customers.
Those customers, a group of more than 50 small companies represented by the Canadian Association of Internet Providers, lodged a complaint with the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission about the practice in April.
Bell began throttling its own Sympatico retail customers in October 2007, and extended the practice in March to CAIP members, which rent portions of Bell's network to provide internet service to their own customers. The CRTC rejected CAIP's call for an immediate cease-and-desist order but launched a public investigation into Bell's actions.
The throttling affects Bell and CAIP customers who use peer-to-peer file-sharing software such as BitTorrent. Bell has said the throttling is necessary because a small percentage of subscribers are using such services to clog up its network. CAIP countered by saying Bell has failed to prove there is congestion on its network, and that the company is throttling peer-to-peer applications because they compete with services it offers, such as an online video store.
While BitTorrent has become synonymous with illegal file-sharing, the application is also increasingly being used for legitimate purposes such as the legal distribution of music and video, such as the CBC show Canada's Next Great Prime Minister, as well as educational tools. Peer-to-peer technology is also behind internet calling services such as Skype, which compete with Bell's core phone business.
A ruling against Bell would likely allow CAIP members to sell unthrottled internet services, thus giving them a competitive advantage over the company and others that slow peer-to-peer applications, such as Rogers Communications Inc. and Shaw Communications Inc.
Bigger throttling probe likely
A decision against CAIP may not necessarily close the door on the throttling issue, however. CRTC chairman Konrad von Finckenstein this summer said a decision on the Bell-CAIP case will be limited to whether the company has violated its wholesale agreements with the smaller providers. A more detailed CRTC probe into whether throttling should be allowed in a general sense will likely follow, he said.
CAIP members on Wednesday were hoping for the best but girding for the worst.
"We're bracing for a worst-case scenario, as Bell has a lot to lose if this doesn't go their way," said Rocky Gaudrault, chief executive of TekSavvy, a CAIP member. "I would suspect, win or lose, something should be done, going forward, to consider Bell's conflict of interest in dealing as a carrier and a retail internet provider. There are some pretty major issues that need attention going forward, so regardless of the upcoming ruling, this might set things in motion to finally force change."
A Bell spokesman did not immediately return a request for comment.
The throttling issue has angered net neutrality advocates, who maintain the internet should be kept free from discriminatory practices by service providers. The CRTC's probe drew submissions from more than 1,000 individuals, as well as large technology companies such as Skype and Google Inc., which accused Bell of acting as an internet "gatekeeper."
About 300 protestors held a rally on Parliament Hill in May to urge government legislation to protect net neutrality principles. Jim Prentice, who was industry minister at the time, said the government was opposed to regulating the internet.
Regulators in the United States have taken decisive action against throttling by service providers. The Federal Communications Commission in August ordered Comcast Corp., the country's largest cable company, to cease its throttling of peer-to-peer applications.
"This practice is not 'minimally intrusive' but invasive and outright discriminatory," the FCC said in its ruling. "Consumers are entitled to run applications and use services of their choice."
In reaction, Comcast said it would introduce a new application-neutral system by the end of the year that will throttle only heavy users.
The United States is also poised to clamp down further on interference by internet service providers under president-elect Barack Obama, a supporter of net neutrality. Obama last week appointed two longtime net neutrality advocates, University of Michigan law professor Susan Crawford and former FCC staffer Kevin Werbach, to conduct a review of the regulator.
"The momentum in the U.S. is very, very strong. The FCC has been showing a strong inclination to move in this direction even without a change in administration," said University of Ottawa internet law professor Michael Geist. "Clearly we're a laggard on this issue. It's nothing new on telecom issues and it's going to become increasingly evident." | |
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matradley
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join:2003-07-03
Ontario
·TekSavvy Solutions..
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by R0CKY :said by Guspaz :What I fear is that the changes will be so slow and subtle that people won't notice. You know, like the boiling frog analogy; throw a frog into boiling water and it jumps out, throw a frog into cold water and heat it slowly and it dies from the heat because it doesn't notice the slow increase. True, but there are some around the industry who are going to make sure this front and centre as fast and as long as possible! They might even make it their new platform! I can see it now, "Bell, now fastER" than last week. XD | |
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join:2005-02-18
North York, ON | For one thing, bell is still throttling me to 50kb/s. I doubt anything good will turn up tmr. | |
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matradley
Premium
join:2003-07-03
Ontario | Not to be pessimistic, I think that we should prepare for the worst outcome. It seems that the CRTC seems to love to support the corporation over the people they serve. | |
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oxymoron69
join:2004-11-10
Belleville, ON | Oh wow, almost a month late and here we are, 10 minutes away..... | |
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45578933
join:2008-10-13
canada | So is this going to be the official news thread? | |
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join:2005-02-26
CANADA | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 2 min.... | |
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join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON | Does anyone know where the story will break? Here, the CBC website, P2PNet? | |
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andyb
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join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
1 edit | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 Crtc site says release at 9am | |
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join:2005-11-24
Montreal, QC | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 Cannot be 9AM. Govt. jobs start at 9AM. They'll need at least a day to post results up. Maybe more. | |
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join:2004-02-05
Peterborough, ON | It *should* first appear on the CRTC's web site | |
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join:2008-10-13
canada | Telecom decision:
2008-108 The Canadian Association of Internet Providers' application regarding Bell Canada's traffic shaping of its wholesale Gateway Access Service
Reference: 8622-C51-200805153
LINK DOES NOT WORK YET. | |
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join:2006-10-11
Peterborough, ON | damn... we got screwed! | |
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twizlar
I dont think so.
Premium
join:2003-12-24
Brantford, ON
| November 20, 2008
CRTC denies CAIP application, but will examine
Internet traffic management practices
OTTAWA-GATINEAU — The Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) today announced that it has denied the Canadian Association of Internet Providers’ (CAIP) request that Bell Canada cease the traffic-shaping practices it has adopted for its wholesale Gateway Access Service. However, in the future, Bell Canada will be required to notify its wholesale customers at least 30 days in advance of making changes that impact on the performance of its Gateway Access Service.
“Based on the evidence before us, we found that the measures employed by Bell Canada to manage its network were not discriminatory. Bell Canada applied the same traffic-shaping practices to wholesale customers as it did to its own retail customers,” said Konrad von Finckenstein, Q.C., Chairman of the CRTC.
“CAIP’s application asked us to only consider the specific issue of wholesale traffic shaping within a specific context. The broader issue of Internet traffic management raises a number of questions that affect both end-users and service providers,” added Mr. von Finckenstein. “We have decided to hold a separate proceeding to consider both wholesale and retail issues. Its main purpose will be to address the extent to which Internet service providers can manage the traffic on their networks in accordance with the Telecommunications Act.”
The growing popularity of certain Internet applications, such as online video, can lead to network congestion. To deal with this congestion, some Internet service providers (ISPs) are managing the flow of traffic on their networks or adopting new business models. In the case of the CAIP application, the
Commission’s assessment of traffic shaping was limited to Bell Canada’s practice of slowing down the transfer rates of peer-to-peer traffic at certain times of the day.
Public proceeding
The Commission has launched a proceeding to examine the current and potential traffic management practices of ISPs operating in Canada. This proceeding will include a public hearing starting on July 6, 2009, in Gatineau, Que. The CRTC has invited comments on a number of specific questions. Some of these questions are related to:
* changes in bandwidth consumption that may lead to network congestion
* Internet traffic management practices based on technical solutions or business models that are currently available or may be developed in the future, and
* the impact of such practices on end-users.
In addition, the Commission will try to establish the criteria to be used in the event that specific traffic management practices need to be authorized.
Interested parties may submit their comments by February 16, 2009. They may do so by filling out the online form, by writing to the Secretary General, CRTC, Ottawa, Ontario, K1A 0N2, or by fax, at 819-994-0218. The Commission also plans to hold an online consultation to allow the public the opportunity to discuss the issues and questions related to the Internet traffic management practices of ISPs.
The CRTC
The CRTC is an independent public authority that regulates and supervises broadcasting and telecommunications in Canada.
Telecom Public Notice CRTC 2008-19 [.pdf]
Telecom Decision CRTC 2008-108 [.pdf]
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Media Relations:
MediaRelations, Tel: 819-997-9403, Fax: 819-997-4245
General Inquiries:
Tel: 819-997-0313, TDD: 819-994-0423, Fax: 819-994-0218
Toll-free # 1-877-249-CRTC (2782)
TDD - Toll-free # 1-877-909-CRTC (2782)
On-line services
These documents are available in alternative format upon request.
Date Modified: 2008-11-20
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join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 Wow | |
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join:2007-08-02
Brampton, ON | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 big surprise. | |
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oxymoron69
join:2004-11-10
Belleville, ON
1 edit | Ahhhhh fuck them, fuck them up their stupid asses!
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
Wow, it really shows who our government has at heart...
Dollar, Dollar bills y'all! | |
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chromiumdr
join:2007-11-21
Richmond Hill, ON
1 edit | I am truly disgusted.
*takes up pitchfork and lights torch* | |
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kewlkeed
Grouch
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join:2005-02-05
Knowlton, QC | What a crock of shit! | |
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mlerner
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join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON | F### Well I had too much hope that the CRTC has actually changed. I'm too pissed off right now to even write a good reply.. | |
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join:2005-02-26
CANADA | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 how can we show our discontent with this decision to the crtc in an uncivilized illegal manner? | |
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join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON
·TELUS
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by alphaz18 :how can we show our discontent with this decision to the crtc in an uncivilized illegal manner? By giving up? That's what I feel like doing at this point. Final conclusion: the Internet is fucked in this country. You can either spend the time and money to circumvent it yourself or move but don't expect the old boys club to release their grip on our money.
Keep you eyes on the "MLPPP is now throttled" thread. I'm sure that won't last too much longer now. | |
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join:2004-05-02
Toronto, ON | sad sad day | |
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join:2008-08-11
Montreal, QC | This is disgusting! No doubt that the CRTC is runned by money from big companies...
Sad day for Canada is today | |
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kingb71
join:2000-10-09
Mississauga, ON | Where do I sign up for the class action lawsuit? | |
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DabberDan
join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON | They even state network congestion where Bell wasn't even able to prove it. Which proves either incompetency or they've been bought. | |
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Proof positive that the CRTC is corrupt and in Bell's pocket!
The issue wasn't discriminatory throttling but violation of GAS tarifs which they clearly broke.
What can we do when the game is rigged?
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join:2005-02-26
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| Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 said by Astonished :
!@$#$!#!!$#2%$$!!!
Proof positive that the CRTC is corrupt and in Bell's pocket!
The issue wasn't discriminatory throttling but violation of GAS tarifs which they clearly broke.
What can we do when the game is rigged?
$%#^#^#^##@$#$!!!
when the game is rigged, Cheat. only way. | |
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join:2004-11-15
Gatineau, ON | And the CRTC is slow to react as well... July 09 for public hearings, that means we're still under this regime for a few more years. Come on! | |
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They need people in charge who actually understand what is happening. This is just one step further away, in the WRONG direction, from net-neutrality. If the CRTC wanted Bell to "open up its technology" for others, then those others should be allowed to do as they see fit.
I know Rocky commented that if it was a "worst-case scenario"-type ruling today that there were other avenues to explore but it still doesn't mean we're in a good spot what-so-ever.
The best thing I heard, unrelated, was Bell Canada's CSR telling me that ALL ISP's will have a 60GB cap in the new year! | |
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join:2003-12-20
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1 edit | We need an Obama in this country. It's no longer a free and just society regarding protecting the customers and the internet from big corporations.
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join:2005-02-26
CANADA | Re: CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 only way is to build out an open network infrastructure not "owned" by a single big corporation. | |
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join:2008-01-30
Toronto, ON
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| said by Quake110 :We need an Obama in this country. It's no longer a free and just society regarding protecting the customers and the internet from big corporations. The ISPs need a way to circumemvent the throttling to all users. Well you've hit the nail on the head there. I often trash-talk Americans, but at least this year they voted out the Bush regime and voted in Obama for some change. At pretty much the same time, we decided to vote our Bush back into office (of course we didn't have a Canadian Obama to choose, and that was more than half the problem). | |
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join:2008-09-18
Toronto, ON | CRTC ruling coming Thursday Nov 20 The CRTC sides with Bell everytime. Unbelievable! So much for the Internet being a free and open source. The CRTC is just delaying the process as long as possible to give Bell more power and contol over wholesalers. | |
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